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11-29-2007 04:42 PM  9 years agoPost 21
T.J. Kong

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Congrats to both of you.

Evo, all your checkrides should be gravy from here on out. They are all just refinements of the private and instrument. You’ve got the hardest behind you.

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11-29-2007 08:57 PM  9 years agoPost 22
EvoFlight50

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I sure hope so. I just ordered my course to study for my commercial written, so that should be here in a couple days. I've heard the CFI is hard but the majority of that is book work.

I've been told that there are some charters around me that will hire people with 260-300hrs because they're starving. I know you get paid dirt but it'd give me a chance to start building up time in caravans and such. So I'm still deciding what to do after my commercial. I'm leaning toward going for my CFI because I'm sure you learn a ton while studying.

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11-29-2007 09:36 PM  9 years agoPost 23
SSN Pru

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If you choose to become a CFI, do it to teach others not to build hours or certificates towards some other personal goal.

My father had over 9,000 hours and was rated in many different aircraft. He was old school as far as he was concerned and he alwasy said the newer CFI's didn't teach well.

He always touted tail dragger time too. Evo, you got any taildragger time?

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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11-29-2007 09:50 PM  9 years agoPost 24
EvoFlight50

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Taildragger time is the last thing I have time to spend money on. Short of people who are retired, or people doing it as a part time job, I'd say over 90% of flight instructors aren't flight instructing because they want to do it as a career.

If I do flight instruct I would do it to teach and do the best I could at it. Unfortunately in this field that's the only way to build time and not have to pay a hundred dollars an hour to do it.

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11-29-2007 11:26 PM  9 years agoPost 25
SSN Pru

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Yeah, its nice to get payed to do something that benefits more than just an employer.

Most A/C you are likely to fly/own aren't likely to be taildraggers anyways.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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11-30-2007 12:26 AM  9 years agoPost 26
TachyonDriver

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Congrats Evo and everyone else who's passed such milestones in their own, personal aviation history! Flying for real at any level is out of my price range for now.

Tach.

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11-30-2007 01:28 AM  9 years agoPost 27
MooneyDriver

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Go for the Commercial!

It's a heck of a lot easier than the Instrument!

-Neil

Hey man, why does my lipo get bigger every time I charge it?

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11-30-2007 11:31 AM  9 years agoPost 28
TrexRookie

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I'm on my way to getting my private, then eventually my instrument, commercial, and CFI(-I). I do want to fly commercially but at the same time, I want to play a role in education as well. Ultimately I want to have an aerobatic school and run an outfit here in the Bay Area... I figure if I have the commercial experience and aerobatic time, I'll be able to teach people to be pretty much whatever kind of pilot they want to be. And since I'm eventually going to be flying aerobatic, I'll definitely be logging some taildragger time. but one step at a time... heh..

Congrats to both Evo and Wakeboarder!!

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11-30-2007 02:19 PM  9 years agoPost 29
SSN Pru

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I do want to fly commercially but at the same time, I want to play a role in education as well.
this is the problem. there are too many pilots that loose sight of continuing good education merely because they want to fly commercially.

IMO, it's going to erode the skills base of pilots down the road.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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11-30-2007 03:40 PM  9 years agoPost 30
sincity

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Got my commercial 15 years ago. Holy crap it's been that long?!?!? I started with a J3 cub and had 150 hours in taildraggers before ever flying a tricycle gear plane!

Don't plan on flying Caravans with 300 hours of total time. Insurance won't allow it. Which I think is crap because a Caravan is the sweetest flying plane. It flies like a 182 with a butt load of power.

I looked at flying Beech 18's for a cargo outfit to build my time but ended up moving before I could get started. Flying skydivers and pulling sailplanes is a good way to build time too. Don't plan on making much money doing it though.

Good luck and have fun! So... have you had one of those butt pucker moments yet? I had one, and luckly I learned from it and didn't kill myself!

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11-30-2007 05:16 PM  9 years agoPost 31
T.J. Kong

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With regards to teaching for the purpose of building hours vs a career. I gotta disagree with Evo. I bet it's better than 99%. I only know one professional pilot (airline or corporate)who didn't flight instruct. Also, when I was instructing, all of the CFI's I knew had the ultimate goal of moving on to something bigger. There were some that never made it. But, without exception, everyone wanted to move on to something bigger than a C-170.
this is the problem. there are too many pilots that loose sight of continuing good education merely because they want to fly commercially.

IMO, it's going to erode the skills base of pilots down the road.
Most successful pilots are not that self centered. By nature, most pilots do a professional job at whatever they choose to do. I believe the two factors which are eroding pilot's skills are airplane design and automation. Modern airplanes are so stable, most pilots don't know how to use a rudder and pilots are becoming reliant on automation. The automation is a wonderful tool, but a horrible crutch.

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11-30-2007 05:53 PM  9 years agoPost 32
SSN Pru

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most pilots don't know how to use a rudder and pilots are becoming reliant on automation
you got that right. My father always took issue with pilot training in a cherokee or C-172.

He told me he learned to fly in a T-Craft and that tought him more than enough to fly most trike A/C.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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11-30-2007 07:45 PM  9 years agoPost 33
TrexRookie

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pru

the reason why I want to fly commercially is so I can fund the purchase of planes to start a school...

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11-30-2007 08:01 PM  9 years agoPost 34
SSN Pru

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Trexrookie,
the reason why I want to fly commercially is so I can fund the purchase of planes to start a school
I don't find fault in particular with anyone who chooses that career path. I am just saying that the proportion of people who do want to go down that path far outweighs those who are truly interested in teaching others to fly and this, I believe, has the ability to erode the skill base of CFI's and pilots in general.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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11-30-2007 08:21 PM  9 years agoPost 35
TachyonDriver

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"I'm a pilot!"
"Nah...Seriously??"
"Yup!"
"No way! Cool - Go on tell me a little about flying then"
"OK. I get to sit up front - it's a great view by the way! and when the tower says its our turn, I press this big green button here."
"What button? Oh, the one that says FLY?"
"Yeah,. Hey you're a bright kid. Maybe you'll get to be a pilot one day!"
"OK so what happens when we get to where we are going?"
"AH. I press this other big button..."
"Yes. I see it! It says LAND!"
"Gosh! You really are a clever child!"
"Ermm.. What happens if the plane goes wrong. You know when we're up there in the big blue?"
"......... see that parachute?"

Sorry. Couldn't resist taking the thread to its extreme.

Tach.

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11-30-2007 08:45 PM  9 years agoPost 36
T.J. Kong

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I am just saying that the proportion of people who do want to go down that path far outweighs those who are truly interested in teaching others to fly and this, I believe, has the ability to erode the skill base of CFI's and pilots in general.
I still find this to be a very erroneous and misinformed opinion. You are doubting the professionalism of many people that you do not know. Unless you can cite from personal observations (not your father’s) a number of CFI’s who put their personal gains above the students, than I cannot find your point valid. Most people who work do so for the money, not the enjoyment of the job. Using your logic, none of these people could possibley provide quality products or service because they are in it for the money. Stating that one becomes a CFI just to build hours and, accordingly, provides sub-standard instruction is preposterous.

Tachyondriver, I wish what you posted was only a joke. Unfortunately, aviation is going that direction. Automation for the sake of automation. It really is getting scary. Pilot’s aviating skills are deteriorating rapidly. Sorry for the digression……

I remember when men were men, engines were round, and jet’s weren’t video games….

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11-30-2007 09:40 PM  9 years agoPost 37
T.J. Kong

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Also, historically, people have been CFI’s in able to build time to fly more complex aircraft. So if you think that this is a new phenomena, then you are mistaken. I feel that you are being rude and passing judgment on a subject where you only have second had information.

Well enough from me on this subject. Congrats to Evo and Wakeboarder. Sorry for hijacking (no pun intended) your thread.

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12-01-2007 01:25 AM  9 years agoPost 38
SSN Pru

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TJ,
feel that you are being rude and passing judgment on a subject where you only have second had information.
It may be second hand but considering that it comes from my OWN father, with over 9000 hours in various types, I think thats good enough for me. What percentage of pilots get that kind of flight time? Not many, unless they are professional...

I really could give a hoots ass whether its good enough for you or not.

Good day, Good night!

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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12-01-2007 02:13 AM  9 years agoPost 39
Dave Yost

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Congrats on the Check ride EvoFlight.

A CFI will give an in depth knowledge of the regs and looks good in an interview get it if at all possible. BTW, check around at the local drop zones. I flew 1340 hrs. in 12 months flying Sky Divers! Pick the operation carefully however, there is a lot of shady operators in the skydiving biz. If you find a good one how ever, you will fly your butt off!

How the hell are you TJ Kong, its been a while!

Cheers Dave

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12-02-2007 02:42 AM  9 years agoPost 40
T.J. Kong

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Been damn good. I've been busy with another project that has sucked up all my time and money, so I haven't been around here much. How's things with you?

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