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11-29-2007 10:06 PM  10 years agoPost 21
kiwidave1

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MPA, damn dude, lay off the Fosters & Crack.

How did you go from doing a cost/benefit of camera mounts to writing your name and URL on toilet paper?

David

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11-29-2007 10:35 PM  10 years agoPost 22
46Taylorcraft

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awww come on now... he never mentioned the toilet paper was used. Now that WOULD be cheap!

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11-29-2007 10:40 PM  10 years agoPost 23
kiwidave1

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Would you get any carbon credits it the toilet paper was used? Could push it as a green option.

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11-29-2007 10:56 PM  10 years agoPost 24
46Taylorcraft

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I suppose it'd be worth a few credits to offset the carbon footprint the gasser guys are laying down.

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11-29-2007 10:59 PM  10 years agoPost 25
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kiwidave.

"Irony"
Look it up if you need to.
Or call and old friend in NZ and have them remind you if what Irony is.
And how often it is used in the NZ / Aus vernacular.
I mean I dont mind explaining to the the Yanks becuase they do not practice Irony in normal every day use as we in Aus and NZ do.

You should at least recall some of the coloquialisms of your previous nationality.

Maybe all that Fosters and Crack toasted your memory..

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11-29-2007 11:05 PM  10 years agoPost 26
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what does any of this have to do with the subject of this post?

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11-29-2007 11:34 PM  10 years agoPost 27
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And if you just turn up in the nude with a 20 y old instamatic, you'll get paid hot shot professional rates.
Even higher if you fart loudly in front of the clients, right ?
Becuase, of course image doesnt matter at all, right ?.
It doesnt matter what your gear looks like, right ?

WRONG !
WRONG !

That bull about not needing to pay more is not just wrong, it is mischevioius and was stated for the sole purpose of bagging Kima's mounts.
With the aim of turning this thread into an PH vs AF vs HCS thread that as we know never turns into anything but a bun fight full of insults and lacking any technical factors.
I can't justify a switch when the Pro1 does the job for us. No offense to Kimberley.
No offense my butt
Why is it people say offensive things like that, and then try to excuse themselves out of it by saying. No offence meant.
If no offence was meant, then you wouldnt have said it.
You did.
And convienienlty dropped the "Pro1 does the job for us" in there.

Pro 1 and this mount, no compariosn for a Pro photographer.

If you cant justify chump change 1G to have professional looking equipment instead of cobbled together odds and ends.
Don't ever call yourself a Professional Photographer around me.
My laughter will deafen you.

Kimas mounts is worth every cent they cost IF you are calling yourself a professional photographer.
Buying Kimberleys mount is like getting VSOP brandy for the cost of beer, a Rolls Royce for the cost of a Lada Niva.

At my estimation (as a manufacturer of professional grade RC AP equipment) he is making peanuts on each unit in profit, and you better get one now while they are still dirt cheap for what you get..

Cheers
Dave

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11-30-2007 12:41 AM  10 years agoPost 28
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Yeah there were some cheap shots towards me on here from a person but I think anyone with a little background and common sense can see through it.

I wasn't going to post but I had several customers email me about this.

MPA
You know you write these long posts that when you are done reading I generally feel stupid for wasting the time it took to read it. The fact is you are pushing a POLE CAM! In my world that's like saying I can't fly heli's but I have a pole? Here I would put you out of business in a second! Most video isn't shot sitting still and I very seldom need to take a picture from the height of a telephone pole!

With that said yeah I take offense at built with a shovel and how unprofessional our equipment looks?
The number 1 company in the world in image stabilization is Kenyon! Why do you think I worked with Bobbie Kenyon when designing the mount years ago? We don't hand drill anything all CNC. We don't use belt's b/c they pull on the servo, Gears work great if you understand how to design them. Why don't we use retracts? Simple remember training rear? The farther way from the heli something gets it vibrates more! Simple logic!

I will make this very simple for you. Look on Kenyon’s page and look who they deal with! http://www.ken-lab.com/html/distributors.html#IL
You can look at all the counties if you want. BTW they don't just toss out broadcasting awards in the U.S. either. Three years we have won an award doing work with what you call unprofessional equipment not good enough for you! Guess what since we received an invitation I would say 2007 will also be a winning year.
Don't ever call yourself a Professional Photographer around me.
My laughter will deafen you.
I like that!!

This is from a guy that uses a pole? Yeah I think you have a lot of guys laughing here. Why don't you post the video crashing on the beach? and the home made design shakes!!!?

This is what professionals get for their work when they don't give up and strive to be the best!

Endoresement

I'm not going to post on the thread again, I just think it's out of line when the manufacturer can post awards and endorsements and you are holding a pole bashing them!

If you wonder why we don't use WGEM as a sponsor anymore just watch when the first Ice storm hits or big breaking news is in the 3 states then you will see why.

I welcome the new sponsor and wish him well.

John Ohnemus

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11-30-2007 12:58 AM  10 years agoPost 29
kiwidave1

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MPA--Dude, dude, you are wound up a little tight there.
I understand irony, but I didn't see any thing ironic about your post (well..unless it is ironic to post a stupid post) to say that we have to buy the most expensive mount, or we are not professional is stupid. I would love one of Kima's mounts for many reasons, one of them being to support the local team but dude, in any SUCCESSFUL business you still need to do a cost analysis for ever purchase, if you don't you should just print business cards on solid gold plates and hand them out on the street corner (I will be at 5th & Jackson between 3:30 and 4 pm tomorrow).

I also would love to see a video taken from the mount. My next mount will be a dedicated video mount and I am not happy using one of my airfoil mounts for that purpose. If Kima can show that his mount can save me time in post and it will help me provide a better product to the customer then I will invest the money in his mount. But also if his price is similar to the E4, then the cost/benefits would also need to be compared to that mount.

By the way, when it comes time to buy a pole, I was also do the same cost analysis with your pole, if it wins out I would not hesitate to buy from you. It really help take the emotion out of business and helps you make smart decisions.

David

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11-30-2007 05:46 AM  10 years agoPost 30
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come on now i feel bad for kimberley, he's a great guy who makes a great camera mount and has great support... i don't think he really needs this going on post for him.

so back to the mount, i have one and have to say i like it alot, the only thing i've really noticed to be a challenge is maintain a high gain on the gyro while preventing it from hunting, my first solution was one of those curtis solid g gyros, it's definitely a better bet that a 401, but at the same time i think gear drives may also help to improve the hunting issue. perhaps not as i haven't tried it.

ian brooke
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11-30-2007 09:31 AM  10 years agoPost 31
46Taylorcraft

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I suspect the new camera stabilization gyro, the INS-1, from Angelos (Spartan RC) will work quite well with this mount.

I wonder if Angelos would be able to obtain a mount from PhotoHigher to conduct some tests!

Hell! send me a mount and the gyros and I'll give it a go!

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11-30-2007 11:18 AM  10 years agoPost 32
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John

You to leap in to argue with me for a distraction while you peddle your own wares.
Including Glory shots.
You got no shame.

Dave
I know a lot of Kiwi's
Seems to me you have forgotton the art of irony, take a trip home for a while and regain some of your Kiwi home culture.
to say that we have to buy the most expensive mount
Never said it or infered it
But you need to somehow make your gear look a lot more professional by some magic act, or spend more on a pro looking rig like this one.
Cost more perhaps but cheap isnt going to cut it in future.

I can tappety tap away here and give you all the reasons why, exactly why if you all keep at this cheapo will do attitude, only the best will survive the future.
In short.
My buyers are coming to a town near you, you have to lift your image big time, all of you, or they WILL cut your lunch and take your work if you have any in property photography..

You've been warned, ignore the advice at your peril.

Ignore the garden shed fare, cheap was good but its a good way to extinction in future..
You have a rig in Kima's that is pro looking, just what you need, and its cheap for waht you get.
If you all sit here saying it is not worth spending more, nothing around here will ever improve or be viable to offer here.
Then when the future arrives you will all be truly phucked with no choice.

Do your part, support better goods, youll improve the look of the gear available to alland the performance of it, break the mould now and you wont go south with all the rest of the amatuers in future..

Good luck.

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11-30-2007 11:40 AM  10 years agoPost 33
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This is good news for everyone in the industry, more options and more quality.
I know how hard it is going all custom parts for the sake of an outstanding product, at the end it will pay off all the effort, it is plenty of customers who recognize that plus in quality.
Standards are raised with new and high quality products like yours.
I hope the best for you Kima.
Mucha Suerte!

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11-30-2007 12:26 PM  10 years agoPost 34
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Well done Kimberly. Nice to see another manufacturer doing good stuff

Is that George Bush Junior Junior on the left?

Paul.

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11-30-2007 01:40 PM  10 years agoPost 35
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Ian

I'm assuming you're flown a lot with it.

Have you had any "hard" landings with the mount? Just curious...

Rosauro

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11-30-2007 04:13 PM  10 years agoPost 36
FLAP

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MPA,
What sort of mount are you using for your aerial photography?

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11-30-2007 04:45 PM  10 years agoPost 37
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Why is it people say offensive things like that, and then try to excuse themselves out of it by saying. No offence meant.
If no offence was meant, then you wouldnt have said it.
You did.
And convienienlty dropped the "Pro1 does the job for us" in there.
Nice try Dave.

You're implying I must have meant to offend simply because I said "no offense". I said "no offense" because I meant it!! Don't pretend you know what I'm thinking because that is offensive!

I had a feeling someone would jump my a** for this simply because they're too pigheaded to understand what I'm actually saying. You flat out don't have a clue Dave. Kimberley knows I'm not bashing him, his mount, or the price of his mount. He knows I'm not trying to offend him. I've spoken at length with him through PMs and emails in the past regarding his mounts and even our personal lives. I really like him and have no reason to disrespect him.

Also, I'm not saying the Pro1 is better than his mount. I'm only saying the Pro1 works great for us and we can't justify spending $1650 for a mount that basically does the same thing as the one we're using. I like the looks of Kimberley's mount and there are a few features on his mount that I like that arent on the Pro1, but from OUR business standpoint, we can't justify the purchase. Whether one mount looks more "professional" than another is totally subjective. I'm not here to compare AF and PH. I'm simply stating my point of view and happened to use the brand of mount we use as an example.
Pro 1 and this mount, no compariosn for a Pro photographer.

If you cant justify chump change 1G to have professional looking equipment instead of cobbled together odds and ends.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I strongly believe that even though most clients don't care what your equipment looks like, it is important to present a professional business image in all aspects including your equipment. If we followed your way of thinking, we would be out of business in no time because we would spend all of the money on "image" rather than making smart decisions regarding what gets the jobs done and brings the money in. You know that -- you're just bent out of shape because you're letting your emotions speak for you.
My buyers are coming to a town near you, you have to lift your image big time, all of you, or they WILL cut your lunch and take your work if you have any in property photography..

You've been warned, ignore the advice at your peril.

Ignore the garden shed fare, cheap was good but its a good way to extinction in future..
Spare us the drama. By the way, let's all give Dave a big round of applause for his witty sarcasm.
Don't ever call yourself a Professional Photographer around me.
My laughter will deafen you.

Kimas mounts is worth every cent they cost IF you are calling yourself a professional photographer.
Not this lame way of thinking again. So in order to be a true professional, you must spend a lot of money and use the most expensive equipment? I think the laughter from that assumption would deafen you Dave. In some cases, shelling out larger sums of money for good quality equipment is necessary, but it's a personal choice for everyone depending upon their goals. If clients are happy with the photos they get from a point-and-shoot, then why buy a dSLR? Does selling AP with a point-and-shoot and a T-Rex make you nonprofessional? Does shooting with one mount vs. another determine whether you're a professional? If you believe that, then you have a very narrow way of thinking. What's the true meaning of "professional" anyway Dave? Look it up. It appears you're confusing professionalism with image. If we follow your way of thinking Dave, we will be more professional by purchasing one of Kimberley's mounts because it will replace our "cobbled together odds and ends", and clients will notice that and we will be seen as true professionals! Give me a freakin' break! It amazes me how so many people are fixated on the price of goods and how price determines their perception of quality and how that leads to a perceived need for a product. Now just so you don't flip out over that statement, I'm not implying that Kimberley's mount is overpriced. It looks to be a great mount and I know his service will be outstanding. Is it worth every penny? To some it is. I'm sure Kimberley isn't losing sleep because I'm not ordering up one of his mounts right this moment. Doesn't mean I won't ever -- just means I can't justify it at the moment.

My posts were not meant to drag this thread down and take due praise away from Kimberley and his innovative products, although sadly others don't see it that way. I'm simply stating my opinions from our business standpoint. When someone wrongly accuses me of something, then I have to defend my statements.

I wish Kimberley the best of luck and someday we may purchase one of his mounts. Maybe then Dave will view us as true professionals.


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11-30-2007 04:58 PM  10 years agoPost 38
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Don't ever call yourself a Professional Photographer around me.
So Dave, do you think the images on your homepage are professional? Just curious.

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11-30-2007 05:08 PM  10 years agoPost 39
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Nice mount..

And good luck with everything.

Does anyone else think the above pictures looks Photoshopped?

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11-30-2007 05:37 PM  10 years agoPost 40
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I would just ignore the posts that don't really have anything to do with this thread.

I'm looking for a roll/tilt front mount and the only other one I can see similar to this design is the one from servocity which doesn't even touch Kimberly's as far as design.

Ian, I like what you've done with Kimberly's 2 axis mount.

More products/design, the better for everyone.

Jesse

... But honey it was only $$$

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