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11-28-2007 10:47 PM  10 years agoPost 21
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I truly love building planks. My problem is time, yes it's quicker to bolt together an heli than to glue together balsa and light ply. I've built about 8 or nine planks, after the heli bug bit haven't built any and that was 10 years ago. Maybe when I retire I'll get back to building planks, as for now I'm into learning 3d stuff with the heli.

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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11-29-2007 03:37 AM  10 years agoPost 22
AltecLansing

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Here's a pic of the crappy job I am doing. LOL

Man, I miss the eighties.

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11-29-2007 04:06 AM  10 years agoPost 23
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How to apply MonoKote

Alright guys, you woke up the old man again. I started with tissue and dope and then moved up to MonoKote. I would love to help you guys out with these MonoKote problems but once you get the tricks of MonoKote down it is a wonderful product along with the others. The P-51 and the P-38 are entirely covered in Monokote except for the stars and bars decals. Yes all the lettering, numbers, letters, and the horses are MonoKote. My wife thinks I should put a "How To" video on U-Tube. The Fokker DVII has 21St Century Fabric which is a lot more work, but stunning on a WWI plane. If this would help people out maybe I could work on it this winter.

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11-29-2007 05:25 AM  10 years agoPost 24
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I've been flying helis since about last Christmas, and before that, flew a couple of Zagi slope wings for years. I've always wanted to buy a powered plane, but I just haven't had the support tools to build one, or honestly, much desire to get the stuff.

I've got a buddy who's got different epoxies, micro balloons, different spackles, different little saws and razors, all kinds of different foam, carbon, and balsa stock, all kinds of chemicals in cans that do stuff, all kinds of little different lipos and brushless motors, and he's into winding his own brushless motors out of CDROM motors, and so on and so forth. He's SUPER into it, and has been for a few years now.

I crashed his Mig 15 EDF a few times, then just felt too guilty to fly any of his planes anymore. When I did, I'd be so wound up with anxiety that it wasn't fun in the slightest. I'd put the bird way up in the air and just circle. Back before I knew better, I had flown his little Mig 15 like a rat sized komerade on crack fighting for some kind of rodent scale fatherland. After I crashed it twice, no way. No more for me thanks, bro. I can't do it.

Well, last week, I found this Parkzone T-28 arf. Super ARF. Just put a reciever in, put a pack in, and fly. So I went and picked one up. I feel almost guilty for the lack of effort involved, but she's a beautiful bird! I bought her last week, took about 30 minutes to snap the gear in, attack the wing and stab, put the cowl on, put an AR6100 in it, and go. It took longer to program the radio than it did to put the plane's hardware together. I learned a hard lesson when I wiped out my shogun's profile. That took another 30 minutes of rebuilding that, then headed to the field. My maiden flight consisted of flipping it upside down 10 feet up and landing it on the cockpit. I had uh... reversed the ailerons... Anyway. Fixed that, and sent her up. No muss, no fuss, and since I owned it, I didn't feel guilty about yanking and banking, looping, rolling, etc. It was my bird! And it didn't take me four days to build it!

For some reason... assembling the parts of a heli, and tuning those parts, is far far FAR more appealing to me than crafting a plane out of balsa spars and covering it. Maybe I just don't get it. Maybe I had a bad experience with a roll of monokote as a child my parents won't tell me about.

I've flown the T-28 every day this week at lunch at a sports park near my work. It's been a joy. My only working non-micro heli right now is a shogun v2, and while i've got that little thing tuned well, I'm still not confident enough to fly her in a more than 5 mph wind. I'll fly the T-28 in 10-15 easy.

I love my helis, my micros(blade frankencp, honeybee fp, gws dragonfly, skyartec wasp, blade cx2, walkera 22d), my shogun, my minititan waiting for some attention for me to maiden. But I tell you what, this plane has become a very nice diversion/tangent from a very nice diversion/tangent.

Here's a cool video some guy made flying his around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFXKSmp4IFc

I can't begin to say enough about this bird.

139.99 at my LHS for the "plug n play" and 189.99 for a full RTF version with 1800 mah lipo and radio. I bought the plug and play, an AR6100, and a TPHP 1900 lipo. (The lipo fits my shogun and my MT. hehehhe) It came with 4 servos (2 digital for rudder/elevator and 2 analog for aileron), the brushless motor (480 size 970vk outrunner I think), a 25 amp Eflight ESC, the plane, two props. It's got a steerable nose, so you can drive it out to your takeoff spot Can't even say enough. Great deal, great plane, lots of fun, I love it.

-Aox

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11-29-2007 11:44 PM  10 years agoPost 25
BC Don

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If it weren't for ARFs I'm not sure I'd have any planks. As it is I have a dozen or so. If you do the math, it is cheaper to buy an ARF than build your own and cover it. Did it 1 1/2 times (that 1/2 is still in the basement).

But, I do admit to making some mods when I build an ARF. I've changed nose wheel planes to tail draggers, changed other components around as well.

Saw one of the folks at the field with a Frankenplane. It was constructed of 3 other planes and included some aluminum railing for the fuse. Wasn't the best looking plane (although better than the chloroplast beasts) but sure seemed to fly nice.

Got Money? Send it to me, I'm a Heli Addict.

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11-29-2007 11:50 PM  10 years agoPost 26
Lomcevek1

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While on the subject of covering here is a quick method to make them look pretty.

MONOKOTE 301

And here is the almost completed wing.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me and I can run you through it step by step.

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11-29-2007 11:56 PM  10 years agoPost 27
hampilot

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Its the glue. My .60 hangar nine super stick sits on the sofa waiting for the "someday" i will get it done. both of my 600's I built in one day. the plank is frustrating because you have to glue this and wait.. step two, mix some more glue, HURRY, it will set in 27 min or whenever you need some, then wait for it to dry to proceed to step three, mix some more glue.... Dang..

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11-30-2007 12:27 AM  10 years agoPost 28
AltecLansing

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wing is covered. now to cover the aelirons. paing the butt in my opinion.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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11-30-2007 12:35 AM  10 years agoPost 29
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I'd rather paint than monokote just for the long term durability, I just restored my Phoenix 7 balistic pattern plane the paint was getting bad but it's from the 80s. A new VF61 and new electronics and it's ready to scream again.

If it's gonna happen it'll happen up there!

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11-30-2007 12:40 AM  10 years agoPost 30
buzzsaw

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I like both alot,cant get enough of either.3D Helis and 40percent 3D Planes.
I backup to the feild with My trailer and start unloading,planes/helis and just go at it 3D just Rocks!!

SkySpy Aerial Video

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11-30-2007 01:00 AM  10 years agoPost 31
Lomcevek1

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That phoenix is NICE !!!!

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11-30-2007 01:08 AM  10 years agoPost 32
Ghost Flyer 1

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MonoKote

Fabulous job Lomcevek1, That method in MonoKote 301 is easier than mine. Thanks much for the post. We still need a free video for the beginners though.

As for building your own plane a quote I found interesting from a magazine:

Something else is missing when people purchase an ARF. We lose the "magic of flight," which can only come from building what you fly. We lose the challenge, risk, dedication, pride of accomplishment and even the desire to fly. Every flyer that I know brings these things to the field, just as they bring a toolbox.

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11-30-2007 01:30 AM  10 years agoPost 33
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I also figured out that the little tool for trimming is actually a tool to cut your hand any time you touch it.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-01-2007 02:02 AM  10 years agoPost 34
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ok, here's some pics of the monstrosity called a trainer. I only covered the wing myself. It was given to me to learn to fly planks. All I had to do was finish the wing. What a pain.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-01-2007 02:55 AM  10 years agoPost 35
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Not bad. I've seen 100 times worse covering jobs. You just need some more practice. It looks like an ugly stick is it? Decent flier.

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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12-01-2007 03:01 AM  10 years agoPost 36
AltecLansing

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Its ugly alright, but I don't know what it is. Its just some trainer my friend gave me and told me I had to finish covering the wing. I did it. Put a radio in it tonight and hope to fly it this sunday. I am missing one dowel rod that I will buy tommorrow.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-01-2007 03:44 AM  10 years agoPost 37
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it looks like my super stick by hangar 9. great plane.
great job!
I am still messing with the glue. what engine should I get? thinking about a saito 4s, to give it that dragster rumble.

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12-01-2007 03:52 AM  10 years agoPost 38
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its close, but it isn't it

I got an old os 46 in it. Like I said, it was given to me

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-03-2007 02:24 AM  10 years agoPost 39
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Ok, I took the plane to the field today. Someone did say it was a stick. It has a thunder tiger 46 in it. I am not a good pilot, but I'm learning. I took it up twice and had my friend land it both times. We worked on tuning the engine and getting the plane trimmmed properly. I did have one problem I have a bad clevis that needs replacing. Below is a video of it. It is one ugly plane though. I will be selling this plane and assembling a tower hobbies 40 trainer rtf. That's not me in the video.

http://media.putfile.com/My-first-plank

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-03-2007 03:57 AM  10 years agoPost 40
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Didn't look like it was flying to bad. CG should be checked. Engine seems like it's got enough power, need low end adj. Lower the aileron rate, should be ok to learn on. Dead stick landing looked good( I know you didn't land it), you could probably take off with it properly trimmed. Just my opinion

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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