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11-28-2007 12:08 AM  9 years agoPost 21
HOTROD2

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Just reading these posts made me realize what I have been doing wrong at the field, leading with aileron. That's why I kept rolling out in the turn. Duh! Sometimes I guess nerves can make it hard to understand what is going wrong. Can't wait to go the field tomorrow and try again, this time leading with rudder.

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11-28-2007 12:58 AM  9 years agoPost 22
tchavei

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post results!

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11-28-2007 01:05 AM  9 years agoPost 23
HOTROD2

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I will! You know learning something new and scaring yourself
sh!#less in the process is what keeps this hobby interesting!

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11-28-2007 01:08 AM  9 years agoPost 24
Yug

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Just practice loads on the sim until it's second nature, then go and fly and try to imagine you're flying the sim. Initally, don't let your brain get in the way.

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11-28-2007 01:52 AM  9 years agoPost 25
jal250r

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Got it down.

I just got done flying inverted forward figure 8s and I did just what you guys said to do. I drilled it into my head " Sticks together, Sticks away from each other" So Im going to do the same for backward inverted now. Thanks alot.

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11-28-2007 01:58 AM  9 years agoPost 26
Yug

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You need to get away from what the sticks are doing - too much mental intervention - just fly.

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11-28-2007 04:42 PM  9 years agoPost 27
Futura57

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Yug, I hear what you say, and that's where I want to be, but I'm a long way off.

I guess it's like walking up stairs. When you start to think about it, that's when you trip up

But I must to put one foot in front of the other, at least to begin with

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11-28-2007 05:34 PM  9 years agoPost 28
RAK402

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Futura,

I am working on this too.

I can now do it, at high altitude, but have yet to make an approach or do it at low altitude.

It is still inconsistant, but showing signs of getting better. I am using Reflex also, which feels more like an R/C helicopter than any other sim I have flown.

Oddly enough, I cannot fly backwards, upright yet.

Keep us posted.

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11-29-2007 01:02 AM  9 years agoPost 29
jal250r

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Upright backwards flight

Oddly enough, I cannot fly backwards, upright yet.
This was harder for me to learn the inverted forward

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11-29-2007 01:25 AM  9 years agoPost 30
HOTROD2

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Well, I went to the field and ran nearly a gallon of 30% through my EVO today trying to get my head around backwards inverted and all I got was frustrated and an excessively slimey heli. Backwards inverted has to be the nastiest attitude to fly in , my EVO was dripping oil when I left the field. I can hold it straight and level across the field but only managed about 3 acceptable turns. I can fly backwards upright flat out around the field all day long but learning this one is kicking my a$$. I am tempted to put the weights in the paddles to slow things down a bit until it clicks. Well, back to the sim I guess!

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11-29-2007 02:00 AM  9 years agoPost 31
RAK402

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Hotrod2,

"excessively slimey heli"

I could not agree more!

I need windshield wipers on the inside of the canopy of the Knight 3D!

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11-29-2007 02:10 AM  9 years agoPost 32
tchavei

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Go slowly. I had some initial problems because I was racing around at almost full pitch... kinda hard to learn turns like that

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11-29-2007 02:40 AM  9 years agoPost 33
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Yeah, I think I'm doing the same thing, too much speed and over controlling like a newb. I think that maybe I'm trying too hard on this one. I know I will finally get it. These things just take time I guess!

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11-29-2007 02:44 AM  9 years agoPost 34
tchavei

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How your doing backwards inverted on the sim? CW remote circuits ok? CCW remote circuits? Figure 8's? reversed figure 8's?

I have some trouble on CW remote circuits... not sure why. Thats why I havn't attempted that figure at the field. The other figures are going well.

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11-29-2007 02:59 AM  9 years agoPost 35
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I've got CW down pretty good on the sim. CCW is still a little awkward and 8's are sloppy during the CCW portion. I guess I'm not doing all that bad since I hadn't really tried backwards inverted at the field until this past weekend. During the first few attempts I couldn't even hold it straight and level so I guess I have made progress, just not as much as I would like. The real thing does behave quite differntly than the sim though. Do you find that your heli wants to roll to the right when you enter backwards inverted and add pitch? I have to hold a slight amount of left aileron sometime to keep it straight if not it does a slow right roll back to upright.

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11-29-2007 03:17 AM  9 years agoPost 36
tchavei

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it has to do with torque I think. My evo had this tendency alot. I had always correct with left aileron so it wouldn't dig itself to the left side (backwards inverted stick under lower side of disc when viewing the nose).

My 600N has some slight tendency but not too much. Thats why you start practicing 3 mistakes high...


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11-29-2007 05:23 AM  9 years agoPost 37
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Mine too.

Larr.

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11-29-2007 02:49 PM  9 years agoPost 38
HOTROD2

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Maybe I should start trying this with my 600N instead of the EVO if the tendency to roll is less then thats one less thing to worry about. I always tend to use the EVO as my guinea pig when trying new stuff.

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11-29-2007 02:57 PM  9 years agoPost 39
tchavei

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That explains alot...

If I were you, I would try the evo model (from MRC) on a reflex sim... you are going to be shocked... do a tail stand launch and the heli rolls so much that if you don't relieve collective, it explodes lol

I would definately try it with the 600N

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12-01-2007 07:25 AM  9 years agoPost 40
Sam2b

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Your tail-in and nose-in hover practicing should come in real use for backwards-inverted, or any other position for that matter.

What I mean is even though the heli is traveling in a particular direction, tail-in is tail-in, and nose-in is nose-in. The rules don't change for hovering as while in motion. Here's what I mean:

You're traveling backwards-inverted across the field and begin to turn away from you, now the heli is effectively nose-in. Remember which aileron stick input to give to correct the aileron tilt.

Practice on the sim recovering from too much tilt when entering into the maneuver, and it will become more and more automatic. Just keep aware when the heli is tail-in vs. nose-in. It helped me allot.

And if you are wondering: Yes, you have to keep thinking while you fly. It's not an airplane, fella's.

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