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11-27-2007 04:34 PM  10 years agoPost 161
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Like I said earlier...

Police departments need to start training their officers on how to better positively interact with the public.

Afterall, it is they who serve us not the other way around...

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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11-27-2007 05:42 PM  10 years agoPost 162
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would you bend over the hood and allow the cop to insert his baton is he told you to do so? sometimes orders are unlawful/wrong
He is not trying to butt plug the guy. He was asking him to sign a ticket...He refused. What harm would there have been in signing the ticket? Getting arrested for disobeying a police order is not unlawful. Now you could debate that getting arrested for not signing a ticket is wrong, and I would agree.

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OK, but the driver was not obeying anything anyway. Why would that suddenly be the words that the guy followed?
Because at that point he had a tazer pointed at him.
He had a taser pointed at him and he was not obeying the cops orders to turn around and put his hands behind his back. The cop gave that order three times after the taser was pulled. Sorry, he was not suddenly going to start obeying at any point.

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11-27-2007 06:12 PM  10 years agoPost 163
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Ron, it was a hypothetical situation. I believe that the officer's orders were wrong and bordering on unlawful, given the situation...

Afterall, it is my understanding that a tazer is to be used to subdue an aggressive/dangerous person without resorting to deadly force...

Deadly force was definitely not needed here.

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11-27-2007 06:40 PM  10 years agoPost 164
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11-27-2007 07:11 PM  10 years agoPost 165
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hey Ron,, you ever thought maybe YOU were trained wrong ??

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11-27-2007 07:32 PM  10 years agoPost 166
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He is not trying to butt plug the guy. He was asking him to sign a ticket...He refused. What harm would there have been in signing the ticket? Getting arrested for disobeying a police order is not unlawful. Now you could debate that getting arrested for not signing a ticket is wrong, and I would agree.
I'm sure that the guy thought that if he signed the ticket, he was agreeing to the violation. The cop never explained to him that if he signed it, it does not mean he was guilty, he just started barking orders to the guy which got the motorist confused and agitated. The cop should have had the presence of mind to explain everything to him calmly instead of reaching for a tazer. This is a CLEAR demonstration of why some cops should not be police officers.....Ron

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11-27-2007 08:02 PM  10 years agoPost 167
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I'm sure that the guy thought that if he signed the ticket, he was agreeing to the violation. The cop never explained to him that if he signed it, it does not mean he was guilty, he just started barking orders to the guy which got the motorist confused and agitated. The cop should have had the presence of mind to explain everything to him calmly instead of reaching for a tazer. This is a CLEAR demonstration of why some cops should not be police officers.....Ron
Yup see above post about positively interacting with the public...

The cops actions were not positive in any way shape or form. It is an affliction that affects many police officers once they are given a gun and badge to hide behind.

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11-27-2007 08:32 PM  10 years agoPost 168
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The main thing in this case imo, is who was the professional on the job at that time? I believe the guy should've signed yes, but that was a lot less harmful than what the policman did to the guy.

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11-27-2007 09:16 PM  10 years agoPost 169
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yup, the professional wasnt very professional thats fo sheezy!

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11-27-2007 09:25 PM  10 years agoPost 170
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fo shizzle manizzle.

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11-27-2007 09:41 PM  10 years agoPost 171
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fo shizzle manizzle.
That's fo shizzle my nizzle

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11-27-2007 10:38 PM  10 years agoPost 172
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I'm sure that the guy thought that if he signed the ticket, he was agreeing to the violation.
Maybe, maybe not. I agree the cop didn't explain it. But I've seen tickets where signing is agreeing to show up in court on a specified date (believe me it was there in black and white). And I've refused to sign because I ain't showing up in court. My check is showing up in an envelope.

Haven't been tazered yet. Fingers crossed.

Last time this happened the cop was so pissed off and flustered he forgot to give me the ticket. He wrote it, and I was on the hook - he just forgot to give me a copy. I had to ask for my copy as he walked away.

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11-27-2007 11:07 PM  10 years agoPost 173
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"manizzle" is the more PC slang term though, just trying to keep it real, else I get my azz tazed bro, lmao,

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11-28-2007 12:00 AM  10 years agoPost 174
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Afterall, it is my understanding that a tazer is to be used to subdue an aggressive/dangerous person without resorting to deadly force...
I agree and have agreed several times that thy guy was quick to pull the taser...I have said that SEVERAL times. Heck I said I would have let the guy walk away and called for backup.

What I don't buy is all these guys claiming that if the cop had just said one more thing everything would have been rosey. The guy was ignoring the cop; He was reaching into his pocket and walking away.

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hey Ron,, you ever thought maybe YOU were trained wrong ??
Yep. You ever think that the training I have had is better than the training you have had by watching "COPs" on TV or by having a buddy who is a cop?
I have seen many cop reality TV shows and some of those cops never pulled their gun or tazer, some not even when they have been attacked.....Ron, I have had no training, but my friend has been a cop for 27 years--the wasp
Notice I am not claiming the cop is innocent. I have said several times he pulled the taser too quick (You guys seem to ignore those statements everytime I type them). I just can't understand how all you guys are ignoring the fact that they guy was not obeying any orders and was reaching into his pocket.

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I'm sure that the guy thought that if he signed the ticket, he was agreeing to the violation.
Then he is an idiot. Anyone here think signing a ticket is an admission of guilt?
This is a CLEAR demonstration of why some cops should not be police officers.....Ron
Are you trying to claim I am this way? Maybe you should read all my posts and see how many times I have said this cop was quick to pull the taser.

A few things:
1. I have always said the cop was quick to pull the taser.
2. Once the guy was out he was acting agressive and was not going to suddenly start obeying any orders.

It seems you guys just want the cop to hang.
My opinion this was abuse of authority and the cop should lose his job

that cop needs to be put behind a desk.. if he's allowed to keep his job

This cop just did what most cops do and just relied on force, because they are usually to stupid to do anything else

I hope the motorist sues the cr*p out of the highway patrol

Somebody must have spit in his burger or something. Had to take his anger out on a poor motorist. Bottomline, @sshole
Its pretty easy to tell you guys have a beef with the police. I don't suspect you will ever change you view...So I'm done.

You ignore the parts I type about the cop being wrong, you deny that the guy did anything wrong...And its clear you don't like cops and would never defend anything they ever do.

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11-28-2007 12:27 AM  10 years agoPost 175
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Then he is an idiot. Anyone here think signing a ticket is an admission of guilt?
Who wouldn't think signing something that says you broke the law was an admission of guilt!
Are you trying to claim I am this way? Maybe you should read all my posts and see how many times I have said this cop was quick to pull the taser.
No, look who took that one out of context. I was obviously referring to the idiot cop in the video.
And its clear you don't like cops and would never defend anything they ever do.
No I like cops, I just hate people that wear a badge and do it a disservice. That includes ANY people who wear badges.....Ron

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11-28-2007 02:19 PM  10 years agoPost 176
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11-28-2007 02:26 PM  10 years agoPost 177
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11-28-2007 02:44 PM  10 years agoPost 178
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Bottom line he refused to Sign the ticket as required by law when ordered to do so by an officer of the law. Its not an option its not a maybe its a requirement of the law and the officer ordered him to do so and was just.
The problem with this incident is not that the driver refused to sign. It was the officers unwarranted use of a taser to subdue a seemingly non-aggressive person.

Bret,

Tell me where teh officer tells the driver that he could be arrested for not signing? better yet, tell me where that officer tells the driver he is under arrest?

How can you resist arrest without being told you are under arrest?

Was the driver supposed to read the officers mind?

I'll repeat for you. We are not saying the driver DID NOT break the law by refusing to sign. On the same note, the officer never told the driver what the ticket was for other than "you were going a bit fast...". I think i speak for everyone when I say we agree that the law was broken by refusing. Don't you think it would have been a nice courtesty for the officer to tell the driver he could be arrested for not signing? Certainly the driver is not an expert on the law...

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11-28-2007 02:51 PM  10 years agoPost 179
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Just watched the video again.

At the end when the cop is talking to the wife...

The wife says "you whipped out the taser on him..."

The cop says" whelp, it looked like he was leaving to me..."

BS, the guy started to walk away after a taser was pointed in his face...

This cop needs to find another line of work.

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11-28-2007 02:58 PM  10 years agoPost 180
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The officer is not required to tell him that. When you get a license you agree to abide by all the laws of that state and moreso the rules of the road. If you dont know them "ignorance of the law" is not a defence.

I'm not so sure that I agree he was not agressive after watching the video again.

1) He refused his license
2) He told the cop that he was not going to sign and was attempting to tell the cop what was going to happen.
3) He refused to obey the order to place his hands behind his back.
4) He had his hand in his pocket as though he had a weapon to draw
5) He walked away from the cop after he was told repeatedly what to do.

My opinion is that the driver is a punk who thought he was in complete control. The cop was patient. In Chicago he mostlikely would have been grabed with extreme force and cuffed. Any resiatnace would have been meet with being tossed on the ground or the hood of the car and punched in the head or hit with a club.

None of us know what the cop was thinking and that important as a matter of law. I know that he had to feel justified to use it as I am sure that he was aware that he was on camera. Remember when one resists arreest police are authorized to use the necessary force to effect the arrest.

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