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11-30-2007 05:51 PM  9 years agoPost 221
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yep...

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11-30-2007 06:25 PM  9 years agoPost 222
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Guess what, that system of policing has worked over here for a long time.

The average responce time for the armed responce units is under five minutes, and some police are trained and permitted to carry handguns, but they have to go through a sh!t load of training before they are allowed to carry one, far more than regular street cops.

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11-30-2007 06:55 PM  9 years agoPost 223
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I had a highschool friend recently become a police officer. They handed him his gun (glock with no safety) and his badge months before he attended the academy to learn how to properly use these things...

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11-30-2007 07:12 PM  9 years agoPost 224
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What would happen if all the law inforcement in the USA took two weeks off at the same time.

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11-30-2007 07:17 PM  9 years agoPost 225
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what does that have to do with the tasering discussion at hand?

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11-30-2007 09:18 PM  9 years agoPost 226
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I had a highschool friend recently become a police officer. They handed him his gun (glock with no safety) and his badge months before he attended the academy to learn how to properly use these things...
That just proves that police forces in the US are unproffessional then.
What would happen if all the law inforcement in the USA took two weeks off at the same time.
Probably not a lot would happen, society isnt going to just go mental for a few weeks, crime rates wouldnt change much, pretty much all that would happen is that the police would have a bigger backlog.

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11-30-2007 10:04 PM  9 years agoPost 227
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What would happen if all the law inforcement in the USA took two weeks off at the same time.
Cities would lose a lot of revenue from missed parking ticket oppportunities. But they'd make it up in the long run when they realized they didn't need all those cops.

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11-30-2007 11:02 PM  9 years agoPost 228
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umdpru

They handed him his gun (glock with no safety) and his badge months before he attended the academy to learn how to properly use these things...
I have a glock. It HAS a safety, it is just not a normal safety. In fact other than a revolver it is IMO the best carry gun for that reason.

Did they hand them to him and tell them to carry and use them? Or did they hand them to him and tell him to put them up? I have been handed weapons in the military long before they taught me to use them.

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12-01-2007 12:39 AM  9 years agoPost 229
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Ronhill,
have a glock. It HAS a safety, it is just not a normal safety. In fact other than a revolver it is IMO the best carry gun for that reason.
He took an 8 hour fire arms safety course and they handed him this weapon. It was stamped on the slide "for military and law enforcement use only".

He unloaded it for me and let me "diddle" it. It did indeed possess no safety mechanism. Pull and pull as he so gently phrased it (meaning pull from the holster and pull the trigger)...

Bad Karma,

I can't exactly refute your "unprofessional" claim although I CAN say that it is not the case with all law enforcement officials. As in all disciplines, there are bad apples...

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12-01-2007 01:00 AM  9 years agoPost 230
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It did indeed possess no safety mechanism.
The glock has three safety's. The one we are talking about safety is on the trigger. It is a small lever that has to be pressed for the trigger to "pull".

It does not have what is called an "external safety". But it has a safety, and this safety is one of the reasons that it is a great choice for self defense, law enforcement, and military.
Glock pistols use an internal safety mechanism with three components, with no external thumb activated safety switch as might be found on traditional-design pistols. Glock calls this the "Safe Action" system. All three safeties are disabled one after the other when the trigger is depressed. They are:

* Trigger Safety[11]: An external lever mechanism contained within the trigger that prevents the trigger from moving unless the lever is depressed.

* Firing Pin Safety[12]: A spring-loaded pin attached by an extension bar to the trigger assembly blocks the striker from striking the primer of the cartridge until the trigger is pulled.

* Drop Safety[13]: The far end of the same extension bar locks the striker into place from the rear until the trigger is pulled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK

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12-01-2007 01:04 AM  9 years agoPost 231
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As in all disciplines, there are bad apples...
I always hear this argument. But honestly, what percentage do you think are "bad apples". From my experience it's in the mid 90's for cops.

And before you ask... No I've never been to jail, never been arrested, etc. I've just been incredibly impressed with how quickly and consistently cops seem to come to exactly the wrong conclusions, handle themselves poorly, refuse to do anything...

I guess you can say "well he's just one of the 95% that gives the other 5% a bad name"

Yes, even I will admit there are probably some good cops that do the job for the right reasons. But I'm not sure I've met any.

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12-01-2007 01:23 AM  9 years agoPost 232
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Spork...

From my experience it's in the mid 90's for cops
I'd have to agree. I aired on the side of conservatism for the benefit of cop lovers here on RR .

Id have to say upwards of 90% is right on. If they are not bad they atleast are on their way to be. The good ones are chased away cause they don't want to play the game.

I once had an off duty cop threaten to kick my ass after he so rudely cut me off in traffic and I called him on it. We were right in front of the department. HE pulled over and motioned for me to go "in the back" with him. He also wouldnt tell me his name or badge number although he walked into the back door after claiming to not be a police officer for the town. I went into the front door and asked the cop on duty behind the desk to file a complaint against the other cop. The cop riding the desk looked at the assclown cop and said to him "why don't you give him a citation" then he proceeded to belittle me. I have to assume this was all on tape but nothing was ever done about it.

I never filed a complaint because I live in that town and couldn't readily move either. There's nothing worse than a cop who gets into a harrassing mood. A few months after that incident, my wife (who was with me when that crap happened) and I were walking up our driveway when a cruise came down the road and slowed nearly to a stop in front of our house, he rolled down his window and rolled slowly by all the time staring at us...

What a jerk, I wish there were some way to get back at em...

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12-01-2007 01:46 AM  9 years agoPost 233
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What a jerk, I wish there were some way to get back at em...
He's already a cop. What more would you do to him?

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12-01-2007 02:45 AM  9 years agoPost 234
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Dork ...Ops im sorry it was Spork dam my spelling is bad.

You can’t deal with the truth so you have to attack spelling. Just for you I will slow down and watch my spelling. I may not be able to spell but I sure can count.

Just tell me this. What difference does it make if a guy was robbing a bank, pissing on the side of the road or refusing to comply with the order of a cop on a traffic stop. He can’t simply ignore the order of the law and walk away. That’s what this guy was trying to prove he would do. Such blatant disregard for the law harms society. That’s dangerous.

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12-01-2007 02:51 AM  9 years agoPost 235
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Ronhill is correct reference to the three safties of a Glock pistol. I am a armorer and when teaching new officers about this paricular weapon, we stress the fact there are the three safeties mentioned. You might not see them but I assure you, they are there.

The most forgotten safety is the one between our ears.

Ray Fernandez - GUAM

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12-01-2007 02:53 AM  9 years agoPost 236
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22047054/
The piggy got off.

I hear he has recieved death threats. Hope he's scard crapless.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-01-2007 02:55 AM  9 years agoPost 237
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Brett,

Really, your rhetoric is getting old here. No one is going to dispute that the guy broke the law by not signing the ticket. What we are discussing is the fact that the use of the taser to effect an arrest was most likely not needed here.
That’s what this guy thought that he was going to do.
Nope, thats what you thought he was going to do.

If you know for sure the guy was going to run then I'd like you to tell me what the next RI Powerball numbers are going to be

Go play butt games with your other cop friends and taze each other...

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12-01-2007 03:10 AM  9 years agoPost 238
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What are you taking about my rhetoric here. I did not start this topic. I got sick of the 12 pages of bullcrap from a bunch of no nothings. Still no one has said what he should have done. They don't know.

I guess that state was wrong also.

"SALT LAKE CITY - A Utah trooper who used a Taser to subdue a stubborn motorist who was walking away from him during a traffic stop acted reasonably, state officials said Friday."

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12-01-2007 03:26 AM  9 years agoPost 239
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No one can control how another person is going to react and process stress no matter how much of a professional he is and how well trained.
Then they DEFINATELY should not be cops. That is the very purpose of TRAINING! It's supposed to teach an individual how to deal with stressful situations CALMLY. I hope you are not a cop.
"SALT LAKE CITY - A Utah trooper who used a Tazer to subdue a stubborn motorist who was walking away from him during a traffic stop acted reasonably, state officials said Friday."
Imagine that! The STATE who would be sued HUGE said that THEIR guy was right. Hmmm sounds someone is covering!
I think that 90% of the cops out there are good, but 80% of THOSE cops are apathetic when it comes to policing their own. Cops will stand behind another piece of crap cop even though they KNOW they are wrong. The GOOD ones try to do what's right ALL THE TIME.....Ron

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12-01-2007 03:31 AM  9 years agoPost 240
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People often classify this problem as being one of just "a few bad apples." Unfortunately it has more to do with the culture of a given police force. The LAPD is a perfect example. For many years there was a culture of corruption. It bled over into many parts of the force. The OJ trial and the Rampart scandal exposed that corruption and just how widespread it was. (The entire reason OJ was acquitted, the jury had no choice but to let him off) The LAPD had a history of planting evidence and framing minority defendants. Many of them carried a "dirty" gun in the trunk of their squad car, "just in case"

When you place people who have a high school education into a para-military quasi-fascist culture you are going to get a few loose cannons.

My business partner is black and he has told me of a couple times being stopped and harrassed for just walking down the street in a nice suit. He says the black cops are the worst, because they're trying to prove something to their racist co-workers...

Peer pressure factors into this as well, just as gangmembers have to prove their mettle and earn their stripes, so do cops...

I come from a law enforcement family so I have plenty more examples to back up what I am saying here...

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