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09-15-2007 04:53 AM  10 years agoPost 1
maa44646

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Soccer dad uses 'copter to drop kids at practice

JACKSON TWP. So much for soccer moms and minivans.

An area man used a helicopter built in 1969 to drop his children off at soccer practice.

It may sound cool, but Daniel Mills' transportation method could result in charges of criminal trespassing, a misdemeanor.

"The law department wants to review it," said Ohio Highway Patrol Sgt. Pamela R. Gowen, who handed over her investigation records to the Massillon prosecutor's office Thursday. "If they feel (the charge is) warranted, we would finish it."

Attempts to reach Mills, whose last known address was in Plain Township, were unsuccessful.

LANDING MATTERS

At 6:34 p.m. Aug. 31, Doug Ross of Rolling Green Avenue NW called the Regional Emergency Dispatch Center about a low-flying helicopter that landed in a field at Strausser Elementary School at 8646 Strausser St. NW.

Ross said the helicopter was only 50 feet above his home, comparing the situation to "death recon four."

"He put a lot of lives in jeopardy," Ross said. "He deserves to know there is a penalty for doing that. He can't go around jeopardizing residents because he has a helicopter."

Initially the Jackson Police Department responded to Ross' call, but eventually requested the assistance of the Highway Patrol. The patrol has the jurisdiction to handle all aviation incidents, according to the Ohio Revised Code.

"It was brought to our attention as a safety concern," Lt. Eric Shepherd said. "It landed in the area where young children were practicing soccer. There was a concern about how close he was in proximity."

It is estimated the helicopter landed 300 feet south of a group of children at soccer practice and just west of a playground full people at the school.

The patrol contacted the Federal Aviation Administration, which found the pilot hadn't violated any of its rules and regulations.

The criminal charge Mills may be facing stems from not having permission to land on the school property, patrol officials said.

"I'm not trying to be a hard guy," Jackson Local Superintendent Cheryl Haschak said, "but we are responsible for the safety of people on our property."

THE RULES

While airplanes must file flight plans for every flight that takes off, helicopters don't operate under the same guidelines.

In fact, Mills could fly his helicopter throughout the county and land it in most open fields without notifying anyone. The FAA said Mills didn't violate any air space regulations by landing at Strausser.

"We did look into it," FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Cory said. "We did talk to the Highway Patrol. The issue for us is that the helicopter was far enough away from persons and property on the ground, and we did not see a safety issue."

Ross said he wasn't shocked at the FAA's stance.

"I'm not surprised," Ross said. "I called them myself. I got a recording. I got nowhere. That is frustrating. The police don't have jurisdiction. It's phenomenal somebody can have a helicopter and doesn't have to tell anybody."

Haschak said for a helicopter to land on school property, it must have clearance from the district. Mills didn't receive it, she said.

"There is no way he had permission," Haschak said. "The only one I know that does is Fox 8 for the football games. They do clear it, even with the airport."

Cory said while Mills didn't violate any FAA rules and regulations, they plan to speak with him about the situation.

"We want to make sure he doesn't make a practice of doing these things without permission," Cory said. "Really, on a regulatory stance, this was out of our realm."

NO STRAIGHT ANSWERS

Besides the criminal trespassing charge, Mills could be hit with others.

Mills gave false information to the Highway Patrol when first contacted.

"We obtained a statement from the pilot," Gowen said. "He alleged mechanical problems were the reason why he had to land."

Gowen said the patrol learned through witness statements that there were no mechanical problems with the helicopter and that Mills also left with three children in the aircraft.

"The investigation is still pending," she said.

Ross said when he approached Mills about why he landed at the school, Mills told him he had clearance to do so. Haschak denies it.

In addition, Haschak said when Mills was confronted by a township administrator, he lied about his name and told his children not to speak with the school official. "The bottom line here is still safety concerns for kids. I think he would want us to make sure his kids were safe."

Ross was upset the night of the incident and two weeks later is still steaming about it.

"I think there should be more rules refraining that type of activity," Ross said. "We should have the right to know the space above our homes is safe. If you would have seen it, you would have been upset, too."

Reach Repository writer Fellicia Smith at (330) 580-8312 or e-mail:

fellicia.smith@cantonrep.com

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09-15-2007 05:00 AM  10 years agoPost 2
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Ross is a bitch. Jealous bitches. Bitch ass town.

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09-15-2007 05:20 AM  10 years agoPost 3
racingstripe

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The FAA said Mills didn't violate any air space regulations by landing at Strausser.
There you have it, get over it.

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09-15-2007 05:36 AM  10 years agoPost 4
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Almost always, when you are successful or have got cool toys, people will show jealousy with hatred. End of story.

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09-15-2007 05:47 AM  10 years agoPost 5
dkshema

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The patrol contacted the Federal Aviation Administration, which found the pilot hadn't violated any of its rules and regulations.
Non-story.
While airplanes must file flight plans for every flight that takes off, helicopters don't operate under the same guidelines.
Totally false. You are NOT required to file a flight plan if operating an airplane. Story writer has no grasp of the facts, and did no research before writing the story. (One of the reasons that the search for Steve Fossett is still going on after nine days is that he didn't file a flight plan, so no one knows exactly where he was going).
An area man used a helicopter built in 1969 to drop his children off at soccer practice.
Is it bad or dangerous to fly a heli built in 1969? Has the writer bothered to check the age of most airliners these days? There are many older aircraft flying today.
"He put a lot of lives in jeopardy," Ross said. "He deserves to know there is a penalty for doing that. He can't go around jeopardizing residents because he has a helicopter."
Exactly how did he jeopardize a lot of lives? I'd suspect that driving his kids to soccer practice in a car is more risky than flying them there in a heli.
Ross said the helicopter was only 50 feet above his home, comparing the situation to "death recon four."
Most people are very poor judges of distance or speed when reporting incidents to the police. I would suspect the "50 foot" estimate was simply a number pulled out of Mr. Ross' a$$ to embellish his story. Death Recon Four? Ross must play a lot of video games.....
It is estimated the helicopter landed 300 feet south of a group of children at soccer practice and just west of a playground full people at the school.
300 feet separation seems reasonable. I would have no problem with a helicopter landing or taking off at the distance of a football field away from me.
"We did look into it," FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Cory said. "We did talk to the Highway Patrol. The issue for us is that the helicopter was far enough away from persons and property on the ground, and we did not see a safety issue."
The FAA had no problem, but the story goes on to essentially say the FAA is a bunch of idiots and their opinion isn't worth a hill of beans. If you don't like the message, simply discount and discredit the source if that fits your agenda.
There is no way he had permission," Haschak said. "The only one I know that does is Fox 8 for the football games. They do clear it, even with the airport."
I guess it's OK for a FOX 8 helicopter to land in the same spot, after all, the airport says so! But isn't the airport an extension of the FAA, and according to the story, the FAA is a bunch of losers. Frankly, why would the "airport" care one way or the other?
Ross was upset the night of the incident and two weeks later is still steaming about it.
Ross has too much time on his hands. And I would suspect he has a hidden agenda.
"We should have the right to know the space above our homes is safe. If you would have seen it, you would have been upset, too."
There are a lot of things flying overhead each day. There is no guarantee that none of it will fall out of the sky and land on your house.

If I were lucky enough to have a helicopter land close to my neighborhood, I wouldn't whine and complain, I'd consider it an opportunity to go over and talk to the pilot and admire his machine.

Reach Repository writer Felicia Smith is a poor excuse for a reporter. She failed to get the relevant facts, insinuates that a 1969 vintage heli is a death trap, makes factually incorrect statements, makes false assumptions, and essentially does nothing more than let some local ne'er-do-well vent his ignorant opinion in her story.

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09-15-2007 06:05 AM  10 years agoPost 6
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what bs.sounds like the popo is tring to make a $. they handed it off then when faa didnt do anything, so they found a way to charge him. hope he gets a lawyer and wins. the whole complaint comes from some a hole who calls the popo when a loud car drives by. How can he measure the distance off the ground. his eye sight is not a proper measurement tool. If I were mills I would be buzzing his house daily. and he landed away from the kids. See thats whats so f=ed up in the world, people all up in other peoples business.People just should mind there own business. And what ever happend to warnings. Now a days its all about citations and fines fees costs. I got a ticket for a minor fender bender. I tapped this ladys bumper at 3 mph. she was watching judge judy the day b4, and insisted on call the popo there wasnt even a scratch on her bumper no damage at all. so they came said, theres no damage, but still gave me a ticket. so the fine is like 35 $ then they tack on fees for 911 system, the court, the county, all said and done $120.00.

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09-15-2007 06:09 AM  10 years agoPost 7
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If that dude is takin the kids to soccer practice with his heli, I bet you he can afford a really good lawyer!

Wish it was me!

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09-15-2007 07:15 AM  10 years agoPost 8
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There is an apartment building across the street from me.enclosed in a 10 ft. chain link fence with private parking,lock on the front gate electric vehicle gate in back, but don't you dare park on the PUBLIC street out in front! they will have your vehicle towed. i have had several run ins with them and they have lost several lawsuits but they still do it!
there are so many morons in my neighborhood it's getting to be a pastime just to see who i can pi$$ off.
i'll take my heli outside around 3 am and fire it up just to "tune" it.

Smile! people will wonder what you're up to!!

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09-15-2007 07:16 AM  10 years agoPost 9
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You know....

...I am so sick of the media twisting the facts so the story looks more sensational. Based on what actual fact I could actually get out of that rediculous filth, the ONLY thing I can see wrong or illegal is he did not have permission from the property owners before he landed. I hate the fact that the "responsible" media takes some half-assed assumptions and turns them into "facts" to make thier point. There is nothing in any reg. that says you have to land at an airport in any aircraft. As long as there aren't local ordinances against it, and you have owner permission, you can land anywhere legally. As for the idiot with the "death recon four" statement, STFU. I would be embarrassed to have said that on record. And the FARs state that obstacle clearances are "except when necessary for takeoff or landing..." and helicopters are exempt from the clearance distances as long as the operation is "conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface." (14-CFR FAR 91.119)

What ever happened to fact checking?
Idiots. All of them.

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09-15-2007 07:46 AM  10 years agoPost 10
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I really wanted to reply to this but it looks like just about everything that can be said has been.

I personally didn't see a problem with the landing. If the heli was only 50' above the guys house then at least if it went down he would know where to run, after all I cant imagine it being quiet, imagine if it was 1500' by the time it hit you you probably wouldn't even hear it coming.

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09-15-2007 07:59 AM  10 years agoPost 11
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As a ham radio operator,, i am allowed to have an antenna tower 200 ft. up! as long as i'm not in the path of any aircraft landing path or at least 2 miles from any airport, but!! you let me start putting one up!! the people will come out of the woodwork and start accusing me of interferring with everything from their tv's to their hairdryers! been there done that!!
i started putting up one where i used to live, never finished it... never got an ant. on it, but neighbors were pounding on my door telling me i was messing up everything in their house!! goes to show you how the media does the same thing!! "i see a tree" thats not a tree "yes it is , it's right there!" no there is no tree "yes there is a tree i see it!" you are mistaken there is NO tree! "are you sure about that? i see a tree right there!" there is no tree "well maybe i'm seeing things then"
yes you are! there is no tree "there is no tree" saw that on another conspiracy post, couldn't resist!

Smile! people will wonder what you're up to!!

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09-15-2007 08:42 AM  10 years agoPost 12
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he should be shot....... then held up and shot again..... and he should be grounded for a week with no tv

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09-15-2007 12:13 PM  10 years agoPost 13
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DOH!

It's not as if the subject is about RC Helicopters!.

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09-15-2007 03:25 PM  10 years agoPost 14
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ROSSM

LMAO..

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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09-15-2007 04:06 PM  10 years agoPost 15
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The fact that he trespassed is a given but I believe the main issue is lack of notification.

Neighbor throws a party...his business.
Neighbor guest start getting loud and obnoxious and parking on my grass...my problem and then his.
Neighbor notifying me of such party before hand AND invites me...no ones problem

Common courtesy goes a long way.

The danger comes from not being prepared for such an event...in order to maintain a safety zone...per say. Although even a deaf child would have enought common sense to stay away from it.

As for lying to the law...what are the charges for that?
Impeding an investigation?

When was the last time anyone got extra charges for trying to lie your way out of a ticket?

What he did is guaranteed to never get permission either there or anywhere else for that matter...just for being inconsiderate.

Jealousy has nothing to do with it.

And yes...the media is double side blade...unfortunately.

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09-15-2007 04:24 PM  10 years agoPost 16
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I would like to know how it is considered trespassing? There was a school event going on and he was bringing his kids to it. He Violated no laws. At best the school could ask him to leave and not to do it again.

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09-15-2007 05:13 PM  10 years agoPost 17
GyroFreak

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trespassing ?

If he drove his car, nobody would have considered it trespassing, so does the local law diffrentiate types of transportation to the school ?? Not Likely but the laywers will be the only ones to profit from this.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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09-16-2007 02:58 AM  10 years agoPost 18
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I don't know the local rules, but some municipalities have local laws against operating aircraft within their jurisdiction, especially on city-owned or public land (i.e. school grounds). In Jacksonville FL there is a well argued about law that prevents you from building or working on, not operating, a homebuilt aircraft within city limits. It is a new law and EAA and AOPA are trying to fight it, because they don't restrict working on cars, boats, etc. Which one do you think is more of a problem? The 2 guys in the city building planes, or the 5000 with delapadated cars and boats in their driveways?

Long story short, there are all kinds of stupid laws, in this particular case it sounds like a bunch of people didn't like what he did, but they are struggling to justify their outrage since there doesn't seem to actually be a clear law against it. Though I'm sure there will be one there soon...

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09-16-2007 03:10 AM  10 years agoPost 19
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I would like to know how it is considered trespassing? There was a school event going on and he was bringing his kids to it.
If he drove his car, nobody would have considered it trespassing,
had he driven...say a "race" car unto the grounds/fields would it make any difference now?

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09-16-2007 10:37 AM  10 years agoPost 20
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would it make any difference now?
Nope. As long as he did like the pilot and kept his distance from people. Now, if he left "divots" there'd be a problem, but then that's a whole 'nother topic, (destruction of public/private property).

IMHO, the only thing the pilot did wrong was trying to skirt the truth. The fact that he did that tells me that he must have thought he wasn't quite in the right - and that's the part that makes me wonder.



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