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09-14-2007 12:47 AM  10 years agoPost 1
bekylane

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FL, USA

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I am planning to teach a complete newbie and would like to know when do you recomend it is ok to fly without training gear.

I myself could not stand it and removed is as soon as I started to do FF, but don't have idea what is the correct moment to do so.

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09-14-2007 01:02 AM  10 years agoPost 2
gmebey

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It is more up to the pilot...but I would say once they are not bouncing or tipping a lot.

I had about 20 flights before I attempted to remove it.

"Once you are in RC you are in for life. You may go away but it will draw you back." By an

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09-14-2007 01:03 AM  10 years agoPost 3
Robin Jackson

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Training gear serves a couple of good purposes. safety being on the top of the list. Not only is it safer for the model,(assuming the model is setup such that rash inputs by the newbie won't be felt by the model) but it is also safer during those critical first flights when learning to hover. Having blades hit the ground due to pilot error will have you playing duck and cover more often than you like. When the newbie feels confident in a hover and can land with reasonable agility; go for the 45 and 90-degree angles. The training gear may make it a much easier transition.

Robin Jackson

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09-14-2007 02:08 AM  10 years agoPost 4
rogerl

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I am still flying my T-Rex 450 with the training gear. I would like to remove it but I am a bit concerned about how narrow the landing gear is for the T-Rex. Does someone make a landing gear that is wider than the stock landing gear. I would feel much better if the landing gear was 8" or 10" wide.

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Roger L

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09-14-2007 02:21 AM  10 years agoPost 5
Maxists The Baddist

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Ya know. You can make up a smaller training gear. If you think the skids are too narrow, put just one dowel across the bottom of the heli so it doesn't tip from side to side. Or, if you have problems with forward and backwards tail in hovering, put one dowel along one skid so the heli doesn't tip forward or backwards. Or, make the traing gear slightly bigger then the normal skids and see how it goes.

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09-14-2007 02:23 AM  10 years agoPost 6
zeese5

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Macadonia

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I made my own training gear, and it's size is a bit longer than blade..

When to remove? For me, I remove the training gear once I feel it no longer make any difference between using and not using the training gear.

I used training gear while learning all orientations. I removed it when starting doing forward flight (after comfortable with all hovering orientation)

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09-14-2007 02:38 AM  10 years agoPost 7
Ray Fernandez

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When it is ok te remove the training gear
It's actually up to the individual flyer. I would think that once a person is comfortable in a hover, that they should take the training gears off and go from there.

Ray Fernandez - GUAM

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09-14-2007 12:36 PM  10 years agoPost 8
rogerl

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Northfield Ohio

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I like the idea of taking two small dowel rods and attaching them to the skids to make the landing gear wider. If I made the rods say 12" long that would keep the helicopter from rolling over if my landing was not perfect. I am going to do this tonight.

Thanks for the great idea

Roger

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09-14-2007 02:54 PM  10 years agoPost 9
midwestpilot

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Crystal Lake, IL

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It may help to fly over pavement

the first few times with out the training gear.. this way the heli can slide a bit sidways and not tip over so easy..

Down side is it is dirty

When you hover..try to hover at eye level then you wont end up with so much dirt and oil on your heli

Just a little tipster from the Richster

sorry... a bit cheezy...

In life there is no spacebar!

Rich Erikson AMA 6175

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09-15-2007 01:28 AM  10 years agoPost 10
playfair

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Rochester, NY

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Getting the training gear off for many (including myself) was like tossing a babies pacifier! I finally broke out when a crash destroyed the gear and I didn't feel like making new ones.

To answer the question, there are 2 requirements:
First, the pilot must be able to hover steady, or at least be able to wait to touch down when there are no lateral movements.
More importantly, they MUST be able to fight the urge to slam it down when getting uncomfortable! If practicing orientations, the correct response to discomfort is to turn the tail back to your most comfortable hovering position and "save" it in the air.


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09-15-2007 01:48 AM  10 years agoPost 11
electricdurango

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Sterling, VA

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I removed mine once I learned all the major aspects of setup. Learned alot then. Dont leave them on to long you might fall dependent on them.

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09-15-2007 02:05 AM  10 years agoPost 12
Yug

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Never use training gear

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09-15-2007 02:05 AM  10 years agoPost 13
rogerl

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Northfield Ohio

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I removed the "X" style training gear from my T-Rex tonight. I replaced it with two 14" long dowels tied to the landing gear perpendicular to the side frames. This way if I land a little crooked the helli will not tip over. Hope for the best.

Roger

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09-15-2007 02:16 AM  10 years agoPost 14
Morris

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Hong Kong

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bekylane,

I actually discourage the newbies to use one, I never use it myself; a buddy box is always better. All they need is someone willing to help, like you. I just trained a young girl with a Trex 450 for four weeks (a morning each week), no gear ever but the buddy box and she is now hovering on her own.

Sometimes the training gears gets in their way, A few newbies in my club were stuck somewhere after basic hover, they were encouraged to remove the gear and "boom", the leap was noticeable.

Somehow they need to feel the fear, fear of crash, this is one big obstacle for anyone. They need a company, they need encouragement, they need someone to walk them through.

Good to have people like you in this hobby. I still remember months ago, I started on my own with no assistance, it was hard.

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09-15-2007 02:59 AM  10 years agoPost 15
legoman67

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i never used it, and im so glad i didnt. encourage them to practice on the sim and try to talk them into not using them....

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09-15-2007 04:16 AM  10 years agoPost 16
bekylane

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FL, USA

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Thanks guys!

Morris: I also started alone like you did, I learned on Radd's site.

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09-15-2007 10:14 AM  10 years agoPost 17
Morris

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Bekylane, that makes at least the two of us

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09-15-2007 11:59 AM  10 years agoPost 18
tchavei

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Portugal

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I have mixed feelings about the training gear myself

A train gear's purpose is to avoid tip overs during landing and take offs. No gear is going to save you if you let the heli come down hard from as low as 5 feet.

I removed it as soon as I was able to land and take off 10 times in a row without bouncing the heli. The longer you have it on, the harder it will feel to remove it...

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

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09-15-2007 02:46 PM  10 years agoPost 19
Morris

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and harder to move on

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09-15-2007 03:30 PM  10 years agoPost 20
Pistol Pete

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Seffner, FL

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I used a kids hoola hoop.

Mainly not for hard landings but from tipovers as landing gear was cheaper than blades and easier to deal with.

A small amount of negative blade pitch plays a big roll on avoiding hard landings.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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