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09-12-2007 04:34 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Jay1

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Quick thought........

I am just wondering why they charge so much for painting such a small surface area on canopies? I am having a hard time wondering when you can get a quarter panel on a vehicle painted for the same price some charge on painting a canopy. Am I missing something here like they are using some special paint, clearcoating, oven baked, powder coating methood?

Jay

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09-12-2007 04:49 PM  10 years agoPost 2
rotor- shark

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the high charge is for the detailed paint scheme that is usually applied.i don't why stickers could not be produced to the same effect to save money.i recently painted my own canopy to save money,single colour,and it turned out crap,but still you can't tell from a distance.

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09-12-2007 04:52 PM  10 years agoPost 3
Furious Predator

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the exact same paints are used on a heli as what are used on a car. same primers, bases, colors, and clears. but helicopters generally get a lot of graphics done to them, and it takes a lot of time to mask, and i believe thats what your paying for. i paint a lot of the canopies for the local guys, and i put anywhere from 5-10 hours on 1 canopy, but yet look how little surface area there is. i might only consume about $20-$30(at the most) worth in supplies.

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09-12-2007 05:09 PM  10 years agoPost 4
Jay1

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I see....I can understand the really awesome paint jobs costing a bit but it seems like many of the companies are just throwing together a simple paint schema and charging an arm and leg for it. I just can’t justify paying that much for the cover when that’s not what makes the bird fly. I don’t skimp on my components’ though.

Wish I knew someone where I live that could do a paint job for me and not charge outrages prices.

Jay

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09-12-2007 05:37 PM  10 years agoPost 5
Nitrohuffer

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It took me a quarter of the time to paint the hood on my truck as it does to do a canopy. The actual spray time of a canopy is only a half hour. Its the prep and waiting for coats to dry that takes for ever. For every coat and color I have to clean the guns, mix a new color and repeat.

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09-12-2007 10:25 PM  10 years agoPost 6
AltecLansing

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Just Canopies offers beater canopies with 1 to 3 color fades for 65. Canopy FX quoted me 65 for a keeper canopy with 3 color fade and all the sponsor stickers(jr, futaba, os, etc) I wanted on it and my name and ama number. I have an evo 50. When was the last time you had a quarter panel painted for 65 dollars? And did the price include a brand new quarter panel? An evo 50 fiberglass canopy at heliproz goes for 45, so the paint job cost 25 plus I get extra stickers on it and clear coated over that. I think that's a pretty good deal if you think about.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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09-12-2007 11:28 PM  10 years agoPost 7
Jay1

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Ok I think your missing the point, Its not all that to charge so much. The parts that make it fly are well worth it. Trust me it is cheaper to paint a spot of that size in square inches on a vehicle spot job or my motorcycles gas tank than it is to pay over $200 for a canopy. Lets get real here.

Jay

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09-12-2007 11:35 PM  10 years agoPost 8
ThunderRobo

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Well....

Like said before, there is ALOT of prep work even before spraying the first coat of paint.

I am close friends with a few painters and i know there are many hours spend on sanding and masking before they spray paint. When you think about the hours they put into it, they are only making like $12 an hour if that.....

Derek
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09-12-2007 11:56 PM  10 years agoPost 9
AltecLansing

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what kind of canopy were you looking to get for 200? If it was with a lot of graphics, get the quote on the exact same graphics on a motorcycle tank. Did the price include the canopy or did you have to supply one? If it included the canopy, how much to include a motor cycle tank. I agree, there is a lot of prep work for a paint job with lots of graphics. Both a tank and a canopy has to be prepped for painting. Plastic canopies are harder to prep properly. A fiberglass canopy should prep like a metal tank, but I'm guessing it will cost more to have the metal tank painted. Some of the things I looked at when choosing to have a canopy painted is do I have the time to paint one myself? Is the price a value to me? Are the graphics and fancy paint important enough for me to buy them?

Man, I miss the eighties.

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09-13-2007 12:50 AM  10 years agoPost 10
BJames111

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it comes down to the time it takes to lay out the graphics, and most of the high end canopies (dave yost) have a lot of detail. For a simple fade, yes $200 would be a lot of money, but $65 seems fair. The people who paint these canopies have also invested in airbrushes, and many different colors of paint. Really, they're only worth what people are willing to pay, and if people continue to buy canopies that cost over $250, then there is a market for it, and the painters will continue to pay. Don't think for a minute that the painters are getting rich doing what they do.

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09-13-2007 01:26 AM  10 years agoPost 11
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I am close friends with a few painters and i know there are many hours spend on sanding and masking before they spray paint. When you think about the hours they put into it, they are only making like $12 an hour if that.....
I see the the point that you are addressing. I may be just looking at it in a different aspect. I understand that it does take time but since I have never seen one being done, I may not have a clue on how long it really takes. I hope I have not offended anyone that does paint these awesome looking canopies. I was trying to understand why there was a high cost on painting these things.

I just wonder if there was a cheaper and faster way of doing this Art?
I would be nice if there was a way we could just buy templates for a DY project.

Jay

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09-13-2007 01:32 AM  10 years agoPost 12
ThunderRobo

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Well....

I guess if people will pay $300 for a canopy then painters will keep sellign them at $300... supply and demand sorta.....

I just find the cheapest and fastest place and hope it turns out good! LOL

you can get some pretty nice canopies from JustCaopies (perfect clear coats, clean finish and good price), Canopy fx (killer Checkers.... prob one of the best out there... great price and good time frame.

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09-13-2007 03:37 AM  10 years agoPost 13
Envision

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Here's an example.

Certain colors cost as much a $75 a pint, Kamelion colors (color changing) last I knew was $260 a pint. Most paints would be in the $65 a quart range. The clear I use is chemical resistant IMRON polyurethane, I believe its around $225 a gallon without hardener which is around $85 a quart. Not sure as the prices have currently increased.

Airbrush? I have 3 IWATA at about $70 each, no big deal. I use 2 ounce glass bottles, $5 each, I have about 100. The new 3M gun I use for Clear is $800, but we bought the $1200 kit to make 3 different types of guns.

Prep for painting is 99% of the work, actual painting is the remaining 1%. Masking of graphics included. Fiberglass only, I wont bother with plastic.

Hand masking is very time consuming. I have a plotter for cutting paint mask stencils. Saves time in masking but it was $16,000 in 1995 when I bought it.(included computer, program and plotter, Program was $4000) If it breaks, its $1000 plus parts to repair.

Painting 10 at a time is more productive than painting 1.

If someone wants a paint job cheap I'll refuse it. The better the price the faster it gets done.

1 color motorcycle tank and fenders start at $900, $1200 for flames. Photorealistic murals start at about $250 each but are usually around $500 each. I quit doing bikes cause they all wanted Good jobs quick and cheap.

We do three types of jobs,
CHEAP, QUICK & GOOD,
You can have any two...

A GOOD job QUICK,
wont be CHEAP.

A GOOD job CHEAP,
wont be QUICK.

A CHEAP job QUICK,
wont be GOOD...

With that said, The stinger in my gallery took 3 hours.

T.

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09-13-2007 03:50 AM  10 years agoPost 14
Envision

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It would be nice if there was a way we could just buy templates for a DY project.
How many people are interested in DIY templates? Seriously...

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09-13-2007 04:09 AM  10 years agoPost 15
philthewrench

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I used to paint my own canopies, pretty graphics, stripes, fades, and you could not get me to paint a canopy for 70 or even 150 bucks. Prep work, paint, buff...... many hours of time I could be flying!!! Now I give my canopies 1 or 2 quick shots of color, some clear in my buddies spray booth when he's painting a car and it's good enough for me.
I know a couple hundred bucks for a canopy seems like a lot of money but try painting a few for yourself and I think you'll find most of the quality paint jobs you will see are fairly priced.
Not to mention that I have seen a few that are really just amazing!!

Phil

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09-13-2007 04:21 AM  10 years agoPost 16
Dave Yost

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I have been resisting the temptation to post on this.

Streetwise just said it for me. I could not have said it better my self

Dave

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09-13-2007 04:30 AM  10 years agoPost 17
airdodger

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Jay1 You want to see what is involved go to tips on one of the sites that paint canopies. These people that paint the canopies are very talented and do a super job.

Chris

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09-13-2007 05:01 AM  10 years agoPost 18
Envision

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09-13-2007 05:11 AM  10 years agoPost 19
airdodger

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I was just using as a guide as to how involved it is. I have painted quite a few, until I made myself sick just taking the masking off by breathing the fumes, another good reason to have it done by a pro. I used the proper equipment to paint, but went back unarmed. LOL

Chris

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09-13-2007 05:21 AM  10 years agoPost 20
Envision

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Fumes are bad... I've been painting for 25 years, I can't smell paint anymore. I can tell how strong the fumes are by customers reactions. If we've painted something large and open the booth doors for the evening I can feel it burning my eyes though.
When painting I use a fresh air fed mask, positive pressure. but the fumes hang around forever.

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