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09-11-2007 04:17 AM  10 years agoPost 1
bekylane

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What is the average durability for the CP Pro tail motor for stock setup doing sport flying and basic loops and rolls?

I have seen reports of it lasting an average of 7 hours for the brushless main motor and doing hard 3D, but none on stock motor and sport flying.

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09-11-2007 12:25 PM  10 years agoPost 2
fenderstrat

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10 hours is about average with a stock set up and sport flying

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09-11-2007 12:47 PM  10 years agoPost 3
bekylane

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Thanks.

And what is the best tail setup for sport flying?

I would like to have better durability and a bit better control but don't want to add a belt tail.

I was thinking about twin tail, but the expense in the long run will be the same as I read twin tail last twice as single so you get the same time per motor.

I just wish there was an N30 motor with bigger longer lasting brushes.

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09-11-2007 02:37 PM  10 years agoPost 4
gonzo012001

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Twin tail motors

I have been flying with the twin tail motors for about 5 months. I think they give me a little more response and control over the single motor although I'm not doing acrobatics. The cost is about the same since they do last twice as long (roughly). The extra benefit from my point of view is that even as one motor starts to weaken or fail, I still have enough control that I don't plow a new rut in the yard. Generally if I notice the tail start to drift in one direction it means one motor is starting to get weak. If you feel the motors after a flight, one will be hot (the one doing all the work) and one will be cool (failing). Put in a new one and I'm back with no problem. When both motors are working properly, they are barely warm after a flight.

I've also had less trouble with tail motor failure since I installed the 3 amp fuse option.

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09-11-2007 02:55 PM  10 years agoPost 5
Helinorth

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dd brushed tail with the ics50 speed control is what i've been using for about 6months now and have only changed it twice.Tried the duals but was having trouble with one failing before the other and its about $20 per change vs @10 per change with dd motor.

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09-11-2007 03:30 PM  10 years agoPost 6
tutelar-rc

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I went Direct Drive tail, and was very happy with the results.

Moved to brushless DD tail - now I don't have to worry about the tail burning up. BL DD tail motor & ESC is under $50.

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09-11-2007 09:09 PM  10 years agoPost 7
fenderstrat

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I just wish there was an N30 motor with bigger longer lasting brushes
...we all did, but E - flite REFUSES to do anything about it.....if you are serious about the BLADE and are going to fly it for a while put a BL tail on it and be done. its a LITTLE more up front but you will get YEARS of reliability out of it and great performance....other wise fly it stock and enjoy it for what it is

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09-11-2007 10:16 PM  10 years agoPost 8
bekylane

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The Brushless setup sound like a nice inexpensive idea.

How does it performs compared to twin tail and DD?

Also what propeller should I use?

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09-11-2007 10:33 PM  10 years agoPost 9
tutelar-rc

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Cannot speak to the twin tail, but the brushless DD seems to be a little more responsive than the brushed DD.

I use the same prop on the brushless as the brushed DD tail.

Go here [http://bladecprepair.com/man_tr_dd_conversion.html] for details on the brushed DD tail conversion.

Just skip the Tail Blade Adapter GW/H001-FD5002-030B (part is too weak), mount the motor in the stock housing and run the motor "backwards".

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09-12-2007 01:15 AM  10 years agoPost 10
fenderstrat

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do a search there is a HUGE thread by a member named MICRO MANIAC...its titled "feiago brushless motor........" all info you need is in there...if you cant find it just keep scrolling down the forum its not real far down

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09-12-2007 01:41 PM  10 years agoPost 11
bekylane

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Thanks guys!

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09-23-2007 06:50 PM  10 years agoPost 12
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I saw on another tread that a user recomended the Century premium motor (looks similar to the Axe CP tail motor). The user says he gets 30+ hours on this motor and better performance.

I looked for the century motor but no one carries it, apparently it has been discontinued.

Has anyone experimented with the similar looking Axe CP motor? I surely would love to get 30 hours on a cheap brushed motor.

The part number for the century motor is this: CNE253

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09-23-2007 06:57 PM  10 years agoPost 13
fenderstrat

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I was gonna try a tail motor from the AXE once but the tail motor was 26.99 at the LHS and I wasnt risking it for that price...for a few more dollars you could go BL tail and be done

I understand what you are trying to do, we all went through the phase of trying everything there is to improve the BLADE.this heli has been out for almost 2 years(I believe)and guys on this forum have done every mod/upgrade/fix(dual tail/DD/diode) there is and it comes down to this;you have three options 1) accept the BLADE for what it is and fly it and have fun 2)go BL all around...3)move on.....other than that you are just spending money and running in circles...there is only so much that you can expect from a brushed motor tail

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09-23-2007 07:12 PM  10 years agoPost 14
bekylane

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Also I saw this motor that costs only $1.00 more than stock CNE256

Some people report 60 flights on them and still going strong.

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09-23-2007 07:31 PM  10 years agoPost 15
fenderstrat

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Some people report 60 flights on them and still going strong.
...you need more info than that....how long are their flights? if their flights are only 7 min long(using small light batts)than its all the same...its TOTAL hours on the motor that counts not how many flights....also are they using lipos or stock NimH batts.....as a fresh lipo is hitting these tiny motors with 12.6V at the start of a flight...plus their flying style, if they are only hovering tail in its less stress on the tail compared to someone doind FF and 3D

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09-23-2007 07:45 PM  10 years agoPost 16
bekylane

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The info I found on these motors is very vauge, that's why I posted here to se if someone hase more insight.

The second motor is sold at Helihobby. I hope someone has used them and posts here.

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09-23-2007 07:54 PM  10 years agoPost 17
fenderstrat

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beckylane.....I want you to know I'm not saying any of this to discourage you....I am trying to help you learn from my experience and my MISTAKES....I wasted a TON of time and money trying every tail mod there was...It caused me to lose lots of valuable stick time because I was tinkering instead of flying(I love to tinker with the heli's but flying is way cooler)in the end you know what I ended up with? a stock tail and HH...its simple and flies pretty good..all I need for buzzing around my backyard...but if you can find a cheap tail motor that lasts longlet me know..I'll order 3...just keep in mind what I said earlier....there is only so much you can expect from a tiny tail motor thats designed for 6V and getting 12+V

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09-23-2007 09:15 PM  10 years agoPost 18
bekylane

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Thanks!

Don't worry, I am just trying to find out if there is a better motor for a similar price than stock. I don't want to go overboard like installing BL tail or belt tail.

By the way, my BCPP is also to buzz in the backyard. I am limited on space and that's why I plan to stay on Micro size helis.

I have kept on searching for information on these motors and currently I only found this:

CNE253:

On another forum a user reports it lasts him 60 flights vs 30 flights for the stock CPPP tail motor. This motor costs $14.95 on helihoby.

CNE256

Have not found anithing on durability yet, but one user says he have test flown his helicopter for 30 min (I wonder what setup he has to get this time). He says after 30 min the CNE256 was barely warm. This post was from 2006 and there has not been any more info from him
This motor is $11.95 at helihobby.

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09-23-2007 10:32 PM  10 years agoPost 19
Splatcat

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Just for info.

BL ESC
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...?&I=LXLCK1&P=FR

BL tail motor
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXLWW3&P=7

Using stock 3in1? The person would need a servo y(or make 1)
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...?ProdID=EFLRYH3

If someone did not want to splice in to the power leads from 3in1.(or splice .. or make 1)
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...?ProdID=EFLA228

JST connector for BL ESC(see previous)
anywhere

press on props
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXHHV7&P=M

25.99+24.99+3.99+3.99+1.99+3.39=$65 Sounds like a alot but its worth it. Combine with a heading hold gyro and BL main priceless.

Understand that the primary poster was not looking for this just FYI.

Dear God, please let it set down just as it took off. Amen.

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09-23-2007 10:48 PM  10 years agoPost 20
fenderstrat

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25.99+24.99+3.99+3.99+1.99+3.39=$65 Sounds like a alot but its worth it.
thats about a years worth of tail motors...for someone thats gonna fly a BLADE on a regular basis that(BL tail) is definately the way to go, buy once, set up and FLY

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