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09-10-2007 07:49 PM  10 years agoPost 21
SSN Pru

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Here's a good question for ya. I'm on the verge of attempting forward flight for the first time and I'm thinking perhaps learning to fly planes will help me with orientation and getting used to controlling aircraft at a distance. Is my thinking flawed?
No, your thinking is not flawed. It will help you tremendously with orientation and control inputs other than collective. The flight dynamics are not the same but learning flight on a plank will help a ton when you progress into FF on your heli. The toughest part for most plankers transitioning to helis is that they dont use the left stick other than for ground maneuvering, full throttle on take off, and idle throttle on landing. Youve already mastered using the left stick in both axis' if you can hover your heli.

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09-10-2007 08:23 PM  10 years agoPost 22
mjsb

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Here's a good question for ya. I'm on the verge of attempting forward flight for the first time and I'm thinking perhaps learning to fly planes will help me with orientation and getting used to controlling aircraft at a distance. Is my thinking flawed?
IMO flying planes to learn how to fly a heli is hardly the best approach. Much better to get a sim or just keep practicing on the heli at low altitude.

Its like riding a bike to lean how to drive a car.... ok maybe not, but you get my point

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09-10-2007 08:48 PM  10 years agoPost 23
SuperSixTwo

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I did this!!! Please do not duplicate my mistakes My problem was i had an older plane, with a glide ratio of a small brick. Lining it up on the road i was using for a runway was more difficult than it sounds (for me at this point in plane flying.) Yeah sure, landing a heli from a hover isnt that hard. Now take that plane of mine, symetrical wing, short, heavy, fast! All i remember before it hit the dirt was "red on top, white on bottom" as it did roll after roll after roll.
At the very least, have a copilot (another person) to help you trim it out and watch the plane so you can move the trims or switches. Someone experienced would be a plus. I thought that i needed every inch of surface defection (HA!) and had to run that old motor semi wide open....Well if i can find it, i'll repost the pic of the crash!
paul

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09-10-2007 09:07 PM  10 years agoPost 24
wlfk

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Thanks for the helpful replies. I think I will get a Zagi to learn on. Another point was how much cheaper it was to crash planes! The last time I tried to build a plane was when well over a decade ago, and the balsa cost most of my pocket money. My current creation will only have cost about £15 excluding the electrics!

K

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09-10-2007 09:44 PM  10 years agoPost 25
Carey

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Get a Typhoon or a Stryker if you want to plank it.

PNP models, just need a receiver and battery pack. The fun to $$$ ratio is off the charts.

The Stryker flies easy at mach1 or at 1/4 throttle.

The Typhoon can be hovered by anyone with marginal skill.

Yes I fly both!

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09-10-2007 10:08 PM  10 years agoPost 26
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Hmm...

I like the fact that the stryker uses 3s 2100mAh batteries, which I have already. For aeroplanes, I'm trying to settle on designs that use the same batteries as my T-rex. Or else that can run from a 6S 2200mAh setup, of which I haven't seen very many!

I'm also building a balsa spitfire, which I expect to be easier to fly than my EDF jet, but takes much more work, so I'm less willing to learn to fly with it.

The annoying bit about buying 2.4gHz is that the receivers are so expensive.

K

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09-10-2007 10:30 PM  10 years agoPost 27
eyeflyhelis

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jon the rooster never flew a plane before, i took one out to the filed and he flew it with no issues except getting bored in 5 minutes
i started with helis and then taught my slef to fly planes also, it can be done with ease. get a $40 foamie and its cheap- heck even walmart planes are good to learn on and they dont break

only you have the power to make no difference!

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09-10-2007 10:56 PM  10 years agoPost 28
SSN Pru

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I find that the foamy or slab sided planes fly really easily. the difficult planks are the high wing loading performance types (heavy scale birds) or the high drag WWI types. My sopwith baby (1/4 scale) and my Balsa USA Foker Triplane were a handful when i first flew em.

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09-10-2007 11:56 PM  10 years agoPost 29
eyeflyhelis

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i had a 1/3 scale citabria but that flew just as good and easy as a real one. i could see the scale war birds being a handful.

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09-11-2007 12:25 AM  10 years agoPost 30
Carey

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Forgot to mention

Landing a foamie like the Stryker or the Typhoon is about as easy as it gets.

The wheels on the Typhoon are just for show in my opinion. Just underhand launch it and watch her climb straight up into a hover at 20ft.

Both can be stalled and caught by the pilot, although I am sure this is not 'S for safety' approved. Plop it and pick it up.

I appreciate the difficulty in the takeoff and landing of a 'real' plane. I have a couple freebie nitro planes from a friend in my club. On takeoffs you have to be about 20 feet ahead of the plane with the rudder, on landing you cant stall, but you cant come in too hot unless you have flaps or airbrakes.

Still not enough intrigue or challenge to make me a 'planker'. Although I want to get rolling circles and loops going someday...

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09-11-2007 03:51 AM  10 years agoPost 31
jschenck

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Yikes! man, I've been flying fixed wing R/C for over 20 years. The Zagi Tazz is a great airplane and I really like flying wings BUT IM<strong>O this is the WRONG airplane type for your intended purpose of learning forward flight. I would suggest an airplane WITH a rudder as a mandatory requirement and one that does not fly too fast and has a light wing load. I would suggest one with some aerobatic capabilities if you have anyone that can help with the first few times out.

There are a lot of good examples but here are my suggestions. Get a semi-symmetrical wing sport type aircraft. The Pulse XT is a great airplane in either the 40 nitro size or the 450 electric size (using the same battery as the Trex size heli). The Sig Four star aircraft are fantastic flier, a real blast in any of the sizes. Great planes super sporters are fun. I've flown nice flying sport Avistar built with no dihedral and put a strong 46 on the nose.

I like the Typhoon for the cost but it is squirrelly and can get away from you quick. The mid-wing aircraft where the ailerons are 1/3 the size of the wings are meant for snappy performance but not really good for putting around.

learn to fly the rudder! it really helps with the heli flying. When on short final for the landing use the ailerons to keep the wing flat and compensate for cross-wind and 'steer' it in with the rudder. learn coordinated turns as you MUST do this with a HH gyro on your heli. Learn throttle management.

I find I enjoy the aircraft more if I don't have a huge amount of time or money wrapped up into it.

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09-11-2007 12:39 PM  10 years agoPost 32
naked painter

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I used to fly fixed wing. It's worth bearing in mind that you need a decent enough strip to land, if you have a trainer type you could probably get away with hand launching. With a heli you obviously don't need the landing strip.

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09-11-2007 02:31 PM  10 years agoPost 33
DJDAZ

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I bought a trainer plane to play with. My friend JAG001 is a member of a very large field and altho i learned heli's on my own 18mths ago, the plane is still a different learning experience. I admit I've only had a few tanks of circuits in the air but it's still good fun and something for a change.

The one thing i have found hard is the way that it tends to "get away from you awfully fast!!!!" compared to the heli that you can bring back and hover.

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09-11-2007 02:45 PM  10 years agoPost 34
MasterCrash

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35 bucks a crash,,,

Get a Slow Stick, they cost 35 for a kit and the average crash is 10 bucks, then move up to the $$$ when you are confident.
Scott

""My wife must be cheating on me, my kids are goodlooking"".

And I thought that I Would never CRASH!!!

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09-11-2007 02:51 PM  10 years agoPost 35
midwestpilot

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My point with the tazz was..

it is indestructible..
I appreciate your rudder thoughts.. but I did use the tazz to learn to fly planes and it worked awesome.. I buried it several times hard as you could with no damage.. this is the important part for me.. I wanted something I could cartwheel down the runway and not hurt it.

I have since started flying the easysport 40(with rudder) and had no problem with it at all.. I can say the Tazz really gave me the confidence I needed to fly a breakable plane.

Heli's have been my rudder training.. I found it perfectly normal to use the rudder in flight.. I was doing flat turns with out even realizing it.. (right rudder with left aileron to keep it flat)

don't underestimate the wing as a good training platform for someone who needs to do it without an instructor.

In life there is no spacebar!

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09-12-2007 04:47 AM  10 years agoPost 36
joeycoates

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It is kind of nice to see some rotary pilots getting into palnks! I have flown airplanes for over 20 years and exept for a brief stint with a Concept 30 when I was 15, heli's for about 8 months. The way I see it is that if it flies then it is cool. I enjoy flying the heli a lot, it has been a new challenge, but I will always have and fly airplanes. Many of the guys at my field have a hard time understanding how I can go from a heli one flight to an airplane the next. I will fly the heli and really get my heart pumping, and then fly an airplane to have a nice calm flight, well, most of the time. I have some airplanes that can get your heart going as well!

I just wish that I could fly the heli the same way I can an airplane, I am more then proficient with the heli, but I am pretty good with an airplane. Don't really have to think about it when I fly the planks, it is just natural, but I suppose it will get to be the same with heli's after a while. They just cost so much when you put them in.

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09-12-2007 05:15 AM  10 years agoPost 37
Nick Jones

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We have slowstick wars at my field, nearly got my head cut-off, that has got to be the funnest thing ever. You just bring some foam safe glue and aacccelerator and a couple props and your good to go.

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