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09-13-2007 07:24 PM  10 years agoPost 41
l337sar

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Well,

I am an H-60 guy but when we transit that area we keep to a standard 150 Ft and don't usually practice maneuvers there. But The Army / Marines may like to stay a little more "Tactical" then the Navy does. We mainly fly that rout for the view. I have never seen a published minimum altitude for that area but it makes sense to me not to want to get too low to scare the locals as you have said. I just find it hard to believe any pilot would just 'Hot Dog" in that area were beach goers could see the aircraft side number. They would lose there wings for sure.

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09-13-2007 10:19 PM  10 years agoPost 42
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Well I did not take the time to read every post on this subject but I thought I would pass on my knowledge for those who cared. I assure you the helos in question were not just screwing around. To the untrained eye Tactical Formation Maneuvering or Air Combat Maneuvering could be misconstrued for "Hot Dogging" However these are documented maneuvers that pilots train to, to help them break RADAR / missile locks while still maintaining in close formation with each other. Also the location that you are talking about off the coast of La Jolla falls under the departure corridor for Limburg field (San Diego Int. Airport). To even be in that area we must call up Limburg tower and get an assigned squak to transit that coastline. “Screwing around” while being under control of San Diego Intl is highly unlikely. Being that it is the departure corridor we have to remain low to stay out of the airspace for the heavy jets taking off. So that could be the reason the original creator of this thread thought they were unusually low. That bit of coastline is a popular place for helo pilots and crew to go because we can fly low and enjoy the beautiful coastline of Southern California.
I find it hard to believe they were flying tactical maneuvers over a beach. If they were flying over civilians they still need to keep the 500ft away from any person. They can fly 6 inches over the water, as long as they keep at least 500ft away from anyone. At least that's the FAA regulation. I doubt they're exempt from that.

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09-13-2007 10:31 PM  10 years ago •• Post 43 ••
l337sar

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I find it hard to believe they were flying tactical maneuvers over a beach. If they were flying over civilians they still need to keep the 500ft away from any person. They can fly 6 inches over the water, as long as they keep at least 500ft away from anyone. At least that's the FAA regulation. I doubt they're exempt from that.
Might want to read the original post a little more clearly.
My girl and I were hanging out on Marine St. beach in La Jolla today when a couple of Apache helis flew by really low to the water.
As you can see the original post never said they were over the beach. They were over the water. He just says they were close enough to see really close. I have been close enough to the beach line and I am sure beach goers could probably read my tail number. There is no harm in it. In fact it usually instills pride in most Americans when they see there countries military flying by.

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09-13-2007 10:38 PM  10 years agoPost 44
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He said the helicopters were 50ft from him. That would be 450ft to close. If they were on the beach and the heli's were 50ft away that's basically over the beach.

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These guys were about 50 ft. from us. When they came around the point they had their guns pointed right at us. I thought there might have been an emergency military operation going on or something. Then I saw that they were screwing around banking from side to side and I knew they were just out joyriding.

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09-13-2007 10:42 PM  10 years agoPost 45
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09-13-2007 11:56 PM  10 years agoPost 46
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Like I stated when I made my first post on this topic. I am just passing info since I have experience with the op area in question for anyone who cares. You can formulate any opinion you like on what the military aircraft are doing there. I am not looking to bicker back in forth on this subject. I have shared my knowledge and so I will move in. enjoy and fly safe.

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09-14-2007 12:55 AM  10 years agoPost 47
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Geeeeze...

don't you love it when people argue with you about something you do every-day for a living?

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09-14-2007 12:59 AM  10 years agoPost 48
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don't you love it when people argue with you about something you do every-day for a living?
I wasn't arguing with anyone, and if it seemed like I was I apologize, didn't want it to seem that way. Granted I wasn't there but if you do think an aircraft, military or not, is allowed to fly 50ft away from civilians that you need to re-read the FAR's, and review minimum altitudes in the States.

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09-14-2007 01:38 AM  10 years agoPost 49
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Granted. Wasn't trying to call ya out- too much

and YES you are Right! millitary or Civillan aircraft are most certaintly Prohibited from flying 50ft (and much farther) from people.

I would guess the guy was exagerating a whittle bit. However- There are times when we are flying Low-level corridors here that have us cross over highways at about 30-50ft AGL...we have landed in random fields, pastures...I have PL'ed (precautionary landing) in a guys backyard while he was out bush-hoggin on his tractor... we gave him quite a scare...then he REALLY freaked out when the blackhawk landed there to pick us up

EvoFlight: I think I understand correctly that you are taking flight-training while in college (workin on your IFR)...so chances are you know just as much (if not more) than me about what you can/can not do while flyn...in the millitary somtimes rules get "bent". If the instructer says "land on that guy's house", my reply would be, "begining my Approach now"

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09-14-2007 01:43 AM  10 years agoPost 50
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I hear ya. I was just trying to answer the question of the original poster of if military aircraft are exempt from the FAR's, but as usually everything on RR get's taken to the 50th degree.

Kind of how the post about whether or not a plane take-off on a treadmill type runway turned into talking about firction coefficients and at what point bearings in the wheels would start to melt.

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09-14-2007 02:29 AM  10 years agoPost 51
LouInSD

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Okay, here we go...this is an actual picture of Marine St beach. As you can see the contour of the beach is different from most beaches. It is very "small" The waves come in and come to a dead stop because of how high the sand was deposited there.

Here's the link...

http://www.larryl.com/images/2003Su...hrisB072003.jpg

We were sitting just about where the picture was taken from. (Because if you sit back any further from the edge, you cant see the waves) If you notice the two guys standing in the water holding their boogie boards...if the copters were flying over right now, they would be looking towards the west and up at about a 45 degree angle and the birds would be about 25-30 feet above them. Since the sand is about 10 ft higher than the water at this particular beach, from our vantage point we could almost look directly into the side of the aircraft. I clearly saw the pilot from the side sitting there at the controls. This is not an exaggeration at all. They were VERY close...

The sound of the blades slicing the air was very distinct, kind of how my T-Rex 600 sounds when it's spooling down.

Here is a map of La jolla. If you notice the point in between Windansea and Marine St beach. When they came around that point they were heading up the beach towards the north. They were pointing right at us. We were sitting right at Marine St. They followed the contour of the beach and went around the next point to Wispersands beach.

http://www.lajolla.com/(11mjyd55igpk4pmczflewqma)/Modules/Map.aspx

I have no reason to exaggerate about this...

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09-14-2007 02:36 AM  10 years agoPost 52
#55

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soooo.....

Why can't ya just say- "Damn, Check that out, cool- good to see our boys out there doin their thing!"

for Christ sake- your hobby is MODEL HELICOPTERS...

some people have to complain about everything. of course I just got finished reading your Animal Rights thread (ohhh...poor cows)...Man! that BK I had for lunch was Awsome- and I'm proly in better shape than any Vegi-head

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09-14-2007 02:39 AM  10 years agoPost 53
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I'd like to see that girl with the tattoo on her back from the front.

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09-14-2007 02:42 AM  10 years agoPost 54
LouInSD

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Who's complaining? I was asking a question, and based on what the local guy said, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to San Diego airspace...

I did think it was very cool, as a matter of fact my girl said I had a crazy look on my face, the one I get every time I see a Heli in the air...

I did say that it might not be safe to fly that close to civilians but I dont expect a kid who thinks he's invincible to understand that. You need a little more life experience before you get a little more sense in you...

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