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09-10-2007 03:16 PM  10 years agoPost 21
broncoholic

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Inspector Fuzz,

I do not know you or have anything against you,

but...

For future reference about "HEMP";

The THC levels in hemp are minute and have very little intoxicating effects. Is used to make fibres to make clothes, shoes, ropes, and an early form of paper and even shampoo. (Wikipedia)

I just thought you should have the facts straight.

Next time use the word marijuana.

Sorry for being off the topic, LouInSD.

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09-10-2007 03:39 PM  10 years agoPost 22
Dakine

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Are you sure they were even Apache's?? The Marine Corp does not fly Apaches..
I'm sure they were Cobras.

I saw them (Cobras) flying real low this Saturday. But, I didn't give a chit how low they were.

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09-10-2007 03:51 PM  10 years agoPost 23
Inspector Fuzz

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50ft! Lou is saying they were 50 ft from him. At that distance, sand and water would be getting kicked up and thrown onto a person who was only 50 feet from a low, highly banked, large helicopter. I just don't believe it. I think it is an out right lie.
RE: Hemp
Rope products, fabric, paper, fish food, monthly cramps, anti-diarrheal, space age polymer, tire rubber substitute, shampoo, clothes, shoes, concrete reinforcement, gunpowder enhanceer, male genital enhancer, increases ejaculatory frequency, stops women from yelling, clean non-polluting motor fuel, futuristic paint modifier, child proof bottle opener and OH YES MILD SEDATIVE.
IS THERE ANYTHING POT CAN'T DO????
Keep smokin' Lou.
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09-10-2007 03:53 PM  10 years agoPost 24
AFrotorhead

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excellent smart ass remark... another upstanding member of the United States military expressing his superiority above us civilians.
Wow! That was expressing my superiority above you civilians? A little thin skinned aren't you?

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09-10-2007 08:25 PM  10 years agoPost 25
Sealerman

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No more saelerman off sets for me he put me on his ignore list.

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09-11-2007 05:16 AM  10 years agoPost 26
LouInSD

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Andy,

They could have been Cobras but I'm leaning toward Apaches. The Cobra has a smaller side window and I could see almost the entire side of the pilot. They were close enough so I could have thrown a rock and hit them. They didn't look like anything I normally see flying around here and I live right next to Miramar. But you could be right, who knows...

So do you have any electrics left or did you go all nitro already?

BTW everyone, I don't care if they were breaking the rules, I was just curious to know if they were exempt. As someone already said, someone probably reported them if they were breaking any rules. There are plenty of military and ex-military here who do know the rules...

I did think it looked unsafe but I was mainly just asking for my own knowledge...

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09-11-2007 07:25 AM  10 years agoPost 27
03fomoco

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Need to look

Need to look at a Sectional, were they in an MOA, was it a MTR. Are there standing waivers or a specific wavier for these guys, were they hot dogging it. Take an airshow for example, tons of waivers involved. Take most Fighter bases a lot of standing waivers involved like the 250kt below 10,000 feet speed limit does not apply on takeoff or unrestricted climbs to 16,500 (right below IFR) etc... Around Sparse population the distance is 500 feet, think about how small 500 feet really is. At 100 feet you would feel water and sand and rotor wash. Again I am not saying they were legit just throwing out ideas. Everyone there was safer than there drive home, pretty sad huh?

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09-11-2007 07:36 AM  10 years agoPost 28
Justin911

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well they weren't apaches if they were from miramar or pendleton. apache is ARMY only. just to clairify things. anyways thats pretty cool. what beach were you at?

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09-11-2007 02:40 PM  10 years agoPost 29
hockeysew

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Jeez- All of you guys give the egg beater pilots a break- They were just checkin out YOUR girlfriends on da beach!!

Liberals are like a "Slinky", useless but entertaining when pushed down stairs....

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09-11-2007 04:21 PM  10 years agoPost 30
Pistol Pete

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BTW everyone, I don't care if they were breaking the rules, I was just curious to know if they were exempt.
Interesting question as we are in a war and some rules do change.

Despite the war not being here it's still a good question.

Apaches, Cobra...who cares...same principle...flying too low. But it helps to know which one in order to report to the right base...BTW...no numbers taken no official reprimand.

No doubt they were having fun...

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and to think both lou and inspector have a lot more in common than they know or are willing to share.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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09-11-2007 05:51 PM  10 years agoPost 31
whirlyspud

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I had a couple A-10's fly over me one time while camping with some friends. It was pretty damn cool. Never even heard them till they were about 2 seconds away. They came up the ridge line and blasted over us just above the tree tops. I know the a10 is not all that fast, but they were going all out.

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09-11-2007 07:09 PM  10 years agoPost 32
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I think Greame had it nuts to right. Last year I watched a pair of A-10's practice strafing runs on the park where my kids were playing soccar. I could see that it was just free practice but one of the coaches called the game and called the Police. Gotta give these guys a break, stateside they need practice too.

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09-11-2007 08:01 PM  10 years agoPost 33
LouInSD

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fomoco,

Thanks for the info. That's the kind of stuff I was looking for.

They were scooting along at about 50 to 60 mph at least so I dont know how much rotor wash you'd feel if they're going by at that speed. Plus they were coming down the beach looking like they were in a slalom race. It was really cool looking. They were kicking up a little sand here and there but it wasnt too bad.

Still, it could have been dangerous if there was a malfunction. I know some of these things have a habit of dropping out of the sky...

Justin,

We were at Marine St. beach. It's just north of Windansea at Marine St of off LJ Blvd. It's a fast break that skimboarders like to ride. Just a minute before the whirlys came by I was recording some of the skimboarders on my camera phone. I should have recorded the copters...didn't think fast enough...

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09-12-2007 03:16 PM  10 years agoPost 34
Justin911

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ahh alright. I know where that is. I like to go there and watch the skimboarders get completely owned! its pretty funny most of the time

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09-13-2007 04:15 AM  10 years agoPost 35
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Well...

Hey- just ask me...I AM an Army helicopter pilot. as far as altitude goes, Ya we do what-ever the hell we want and at any time and or altitude we want to do it at! (providing brass higher than mine says it's A-OK)

that anwser your question?

we do Sim-engine failures over a (literal) mansion everyday- usually executing our "power-recovery" at about 50ft AGL.

Check!

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09-13-2007 04:34 AM  10 years agoPost 36
EvoFlight50

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And now everyone has been introduced to the kid in the picture.

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09-13-2007 05:46 AM  10 years agoPost 37
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how about some more recent photos...I had my check ride today- 94% highest grade in the class currently #1 for aircraft selection.

I'm the last one on the right in the middle- yep- primary is done- moving on to instruments.

Check!

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09-13-2007 05:17 PM  10 years agoPost 38
EvoFlight50

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Congradulations!

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09-13-2007 06:51 PM  10 years agoPost 39
l337sar

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Well I did not take the time to read every post on this subject but I thought I would pass on my knowledge for those who cared. I assure you the helos in question were not just screwing around. To the untrained eye Tactical Formation Maneuvering or Air Combat Maneuvering could be misconstrued for "Hot Dogging" However these are documented maneuvers that pilots train to, to help them break RADAR / missile locks while still maintaining in close formation with each other. Also the location that you are talking about off the coast of La Jolla falls under the departure corridor for Limburg field (San Diego Int. Airport). To even be in that area we must call up Limburg tower and get an assigned squak to transit that coastline. “Screwing around” while being under control of San Diego Intl is highly unlikely. Being that it is the departure corridor we have to remain low to stay out of the airspace for the heavy jets taking off. So that could be the reason the original creator of this thread thought they were unusually low. That bit of coastline is a popular place for helo pilots and crew to go because we can fly low and enjoy the beautiful coastline of Southern California.

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09-13-2007 07:03 PM  10 years agoPost 40
LouInSD

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Hey thanks!

I was wondering. I figured it wasn't as simple as "we do whatever we want, whenever we want" as Flyboy was saying...especially in the crowded airspace above San Diego.

I thought maybe they were coming from Coronado because I heard there was a Heli training area there.

And I guess it would be pretty hard to hit them with an RPG or something if they were maneuvering like that. I had just never seen that before so it made me curious. They were in a very tight formation.

Are they told that there is a limit to how low they can go, or how close they can get to the shoreline?

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