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11-30-2007 03:58 AM  9 years agoPost 61
dva

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Maricopa, AZ

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hootowl,

How many flights do you have on the swash that is falling apart? Even if you get the best swash with enugh wear they all will fall aprat.

DVA

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11-30-2007 08:59 AM  9 years agoPost 62
tchavei

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Portugal

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I have to agree with Hootowl on the swash thing. Just go over to your 600N and wiggle the thing... lots of slop

Tony


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11-30-2007 11:29 AM  9 years agoPost 63
david11cap

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Madison, CT

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Hey Mastercrasher,

Maybe Minature Aircraft has sold as many Stratus's as Align has sold 600n's and maybe people are not whining about them because there is nothing to whine about.

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11-30-2007 11:43 AM  9 years agoPost 64
hootowl

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Probably 5 gallons or less.

Here is what it looks like normal

This pic shows what happens when I push down on the center (from the top side of the swash)

This is in addition to the ball in socket major slop.

This is classic Align swash engineering.

I will add that I am not a major flyer. I fly when I can... sometimes a couple times a week. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

I have had Miniature Air, Audacity, Hirobo, Vario and QuickUK swashes. NONE of them ever wore out or fell apart. I did purchase a QuickUK swash for the Audacity Tiger50 because IMHO the stock swash was loose from the get-go. I have replaced and repaired two or three swashes on my Trex 450's and now this one on my 600N.

You'll notice the big boys (pro sponsored pilots) don't comment on these things because like Align, it's all about the cash flow. I'm sure they don't like to see people like me "whining" but I'm not holding out a cup. The pros beat the crap out of their helis and would be the best source of what holds up and what doesn't. Unfortunately these issues are left to us nobody's to talk about.

Hey, I like my 600N. I would not have gotten the QuickUK swash for it if I didn't plan on keeping it and continue flying it. It's just that you so often get what you pay for. I paid $380 for this thing and have probably dumped another $200-$300 into it in upgrades. I won't chance flying the plastic grips. I think the stock belt tail housing is gonna cost you every crash so I put the metal one on. I doubled up the base plate to help it out in a crash. This seems to really have been a good upgrade. Added the billet main shaft bearing blocks because I don't like the cheesy plastic blocks Align designed. They aren't rigid, they don't offer much support and they tend to expand/contract with temp changes. This can work the screws loose and play havoc on main bearing seating. Check your screws that hold in your bearing blocks people. Be sure to tighten past the locktite grip.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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12-01-2007 07:56 PM  9 years agoPost 65
Learn to Fly

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Mike just hit it with a hammer a few times and it should snug right back.


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12-01-2007 09:14 PM  9 years agoPost 66
hootowl

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Oh I'll hit it with a hammer alright

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12-01-2007 09:42 PM  9 years agoPost 67
MasterCrasher

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Maybe Minature Aircraft has sold as many Stratus's as Align has sold 600n's and maybe people are not whining about them because there is nothing to whine about.
So your telling me there has NEVER been an issue with the Stratus?

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12-03-2007 01:05 AM  9 years agoPost 68
ACEEDMONDS

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swash plate

What is the updated swash plate all about ,what did thay inprove on it?

ACE

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12-03-2007 03:39 AM  9 years agoPost 69
tchavei

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Portugal

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I think the only improvement you're going to find is another way for them making more money. I don't see any radical change so why shouldn't it wear out this time? Mine isn't as bad as Hootowl's but it had slop when I sent it to the trash can.

Tony


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01-08-2008 03:50 AM  9 years agoPost 70
reiserrob2003

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Brockton, MA.

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topher, why not just get the pro version. the shaft driven tail is unbeatable. you'll never have to worry about belt tension again, besides, the shaft drive is so much more friction free compared to belt drive, it'll just spin forever. Anyways, if you like to upgrade, just start with the pro. I'm telling you it is the most maintenance free heli I've ever owned by far. If you set it up right from the beginning you'll have hundreds of maintenance free flights. I love the TREX 600n pro!~

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01-08-2008 04:04 AM  9 years agoPost 71
reiserrob2003

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Brockton, MA.

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I think the improvement with the new swash is the center bushing is made of delrin, also, the washout arms are fully ball bearing, even where the lower links are hinged have bearings, I'm thinking about upgrading after the stock one wears out. About the above comments, I don't think just because someone moves to a CNC part they're looking for bling. For instance, I use the metal blade grips because I'm running over 2000+rpm, I know a lot of pros use the plastic grips and completely thrash the heli with no problems ever. I just feel after reading numerous articles about the tremendous forces acting on the head that metal grips have a much less chance of catastrophic failure compared to plastic grips. I've read that 700mm blades can have as much as 800 lbs of force pulling on each grip in flight. Thats like hanging four or five full grown men from one grip. Think about it. Anyways, I try to use the upgrades that will provide a greater sense of security and provide a little more durability in the long run. Other than that, I use whatever makes monetary sense

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01-11-2008 01:06 AM  9 years agoPost 72
Thomas_W

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Shenandoah,Va USA

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flight number 20 was put on mine today... no issues with it up until now. the one way is starting to go out, so imma pull it out, clean it up and lube with tri-flow and see how that works out.

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01-11-2008 03:23 AM  9 years agoPost 73
catzazz

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Vancouver Island, BC, Canada

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I have 6 gallons on a updated sport kit, No problems,

The 80 dampers included with kit didn't last more than 10 flights, I installed the 90 dampers and sleeve,

I lubed the One-way and all other bearings with multi puropose lithium grease when I built it. (Stuff you get form auto store for wheel bearings)

Seems like there are just a few out there that seem to have all the problems. Kinda like buying a ford car.

Cheers, MM

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01-12-2008 01:45 PM  9 years agoPost 74
dpcarey

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Ontario, Canada

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Hey guys,

Here is an easy, 10 minute fix for the canopy gromet problem. I also do it on my 450s and it works great:

As we know, the mounting holes are cutting gromets like a vibrating saw. To fix this, simply remove the gromet and carefully apply some fast cure (say 5 minute) epoxy to the rim of the mounting hole. The idea with the epoxy is to build up, and round off the inner edge as much as possible but not so much as to create troubles seating your gromet. Since fast cure epoxy will not lay down as much as a slow cure epoxy or cyano, it will work better for this application, making it easier to achieve a well-rounded edge that finishes up hard and smooth. The gromets then last MUCH longer once the sharp edge is gone.

I also put a little silicon lube over the cured epoxy to allow the gromet to spin/slide a bit...no more wear and tear.

Note: No sanding or forming is required, just a nice rounded little bead of epoxy around the rim that also covers all the glass.

Dave

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01-13-2008 03:18 AM  9 years agoPost 75
Nashville

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One side of my clutch snapped in half recently. No, the clutch didn't come apart, the metal actually broke on one side. You can see how poorly it's made where it snapped. I'll post some pics if anyone wants to see it. These little issues are sure making it hard to defend Align. Lets hope q.c. picks up with the 700.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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01-13-2008 04:41 PM  9 years agoPost 76
Craig Simmons

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wolverhampton uk

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40 flights(quite hard ones)
every bearing on main shaft and starter shaft worn out
dampers dont last at all
bearing in auto unit
also clutch bearing slipped
swash plate worn badly
clutch shoe broke

flys great but really cheap and nasty build quality
next time its crashes it will be scrapped
cheers craig

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01-13-2008 06:25 PM  9 years agoPost 77
Nashville

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That's exactly what I said when the last clutch snapped Simpson. Next time it crashes or something breakes I'm going to scrap it. Maybe see how far I can kick it, lol.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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01-13-2008 09:53 PM  9 years agoPost 78
casper7

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8 gallons on mine, no problems, maybe its the way u build em

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01-14-2008 03:29 PM  9 years agoPost 79
Nashville

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Haven't hear that one before Casper. I'll pass that on to the pro/sponsored pilots who built mine (and some are also jumping off the Align bandwagon as well).

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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01-14-2008 05:52 PM  9 years agoPost 80
Thomas_W

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Shenandoah,Va USA

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I stuffed mine into the ground yesterday. from a 400' drop and very little head speed (you could see the individual blades turning) all that was damged was, fins, boom, TT, TT front gear, main shaft, spindle, stripped servo, and landing gear. crash tally = $25 for the landing gear, servo gears an tt front gear set.

But i did find out my main shaft bearings in the metal bearing blocks are shot. the very top is getting replaced, the lower 2 are ok

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