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09-12-2007 05:18 AM  10 years agoPost 61
RonHill

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"Want the experience, but not the responsibility"
Exactly the point, a huge part of skydiving is accepting the responsibility for yourself.
I would agree 100%. I think the biggest part is accepting responsibility for your actions and the sense of accomplishment. But a tandem student does make the decision to jump and accepts responsibility to make that jump. That is more than most people. So, they also get a sense of accomplishment. I started with a Tandem 14 years ago; I planned on doing just the one jump. I then wanted to do it by myself, then freefall by myself, then pack and jump my own pack job, get on the "hot loads", do a 100way....The list of accomplishments I wanted to achieve kept coming, and they still keep coming now.

I don't belittle a person for just wanting to do a tandem, they made a big choice and should feel good about it even if they do not want to pursue skydiving as a hobby. It is a big event, and they should feel proud.
If you don't want to accept that responsibility then your not skydiving
This I disagree with. If you stepped out of a plane you did "skydive". I would not consider you a "Skydiver". Just as I don't consider a person a "pilot" until they have soloed, but a guy that once flew on American Airlines did in fact "fly".
With tandem what is dangerous for the tandem master is also dangerous for the passenger, because as the ground rushes up both the tandem master and the passenger face the same fate.
Same fate, yes. Same responsibility levels, no.

Maybe you can fill us in on your background...do you have instructor ratings? I have SL, AFF and Tandem ratings.

Students are MUCH less likely to screw up and cause an issue on a Tandem compared to an AFF, or a SL jump. They have almost nothing to do and an experienced jumper is attached to them and in charge. So, there is no safer way for them to make a jump since they are, in essence, cargo going for a ride with a guy that has at least 500 jumps and the student has little to no responsibility or *ability to screw up bad enough to die*. Since most skydiving accidents are the direct result of the jumper making a mistake, a Tandem is safer *for the student*.

You are 100% correct that tandems are more dangerous than a regular jump....But, the chance of the student freezing, or screwing up is reduced and therefore more safe than AFF, or SL for the *STUDENT*. You are correct that it is however MORE dangerous for the instructor, than either AFF or SL.

So it is correct to say "There is no safer way for a student to make a jump...But no more dangerous way for an instructor to make a student jump."
Also as a tandem master do you make more money for making a tandem jump or a AFF jump?
Depends on the pay structure at the specific DZ. At one DZ I get paid more to do a Tandem than an AFF and both pay more than SL. At the current DZ I work for all instructor slots get paid the same to include coach jumps.
Oh yeah Dallas Thunder rank 11th not 9th according to Omni Skore

http://www.omniskore.com/comp/2006/usnats/index.htm
Please notice 2006 in the link you provided. I said "Just got back" That implies 2007, not 2006. The 2007 Nats are still underway in Chicago, I left after 4way.

Notice that same year however,(2006) Second in open 8way.

Here is 2007 (Arizona Ace):
http://www.omniskore.com/comp/2007/...fs/4wayopen.asp

In fact 2006 was the first time my team was not in the top 10.

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09-12-2007 05:33 AM  10 years agoPost 62
LouInSD

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oh geez, this thread is going downhill real fast...

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09-12-2007 05:48 AM  10 years agoPost 63
Mark C

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Look how they had to drag this poor ba$tard out of the plane by his ankles That would be me right there!!

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09-12-2007 07:53 AM  10 years agoPost 64
ShellDude

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give me a break. I did tandem from 13,500 and I'll tell any and everyone who asks that I skydived and it was one of the best damn experiences of my life! Sh!t, I even got a t-shirt to this day that I can use to prove it

Will I get the chance to do it again? Well lets see, I've got a 12 hour a day career, a wife, 5 kids, and a rc heli habit. You tell me bud?

Tandem is for the guy that wants to skydive but is reasonable enough to recognize that it is not something he can do regularly, or ever again for that matter.

ARCH!, Pull at 5k, and remember your jumpmaster is there to save your life. If you don't trust the jumpmaster's competence then don't attach yourself to his friggin harnesses! Finda another one who'll take your a$$ up, flip ya outta the plane twice, and let ya slide to about 3,750'!

Sounds like the real girls to me are the woosy jumpmasters that don't know how to safely take a guy paying for your jump on a decent thrill ride!

~~OCHC~~
http://www.glumbert.com/media/spiders

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09-12-2007 08:03 AM  10 years agoPost 65
spork

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I did tandem from 13,500 and I'll tell any and everyone who asks that I skydived...
You know how to tell if there's a skydiver at the party you're at?

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Don't worry - he'll tell you.

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09-16-2007 07:45 PM  10 years agoPost 66
Dood

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Rained out.
100% cloud cover.

guess what I DIDNT do today?

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09-16-2007 07:47 PM  10 years agoPost 67
EvoFlight50

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Maybe god is trying to send you a message.

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09-17-2007 12:26 AM  10 years agoPost 68
RonHill

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Rained out.
100% cloud cover.

guess what I DIDNT do today?
Bummer.

What altitude where the clouds? Was anyone jumping?

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09-17-2007 12:35 AM  10 years agoPost 69
Dood

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Ron,

Can you confirm that clouds can suffocate a person?
It just seems hard to believe.

I mean, I walk through fog all the time.

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09-17-2007 01:15 AM  10 years agoPost 70
RonHill

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Can you confirm that clouds can suffocate a person?
I could confirm it...But it would be a big fat lie. Well, if it is a cloud of VX gas it would be bad

I went through a cloud today. You feel a slight mist and a chill. There can be rain and ice in a cloud and that can hurt. But breathing is not a problem.

Who told you that whopper?
It just seems hard to believe.
Thats because you have a brain.

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09-17-2007 01:49 AM  10 years agoPost 71
Dood

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Who told you that whopper?
From 2 different guys.
One of the ex Army jumper guys I work with. (He learned it in the Army)

And the other numbnuts we put in charge of making our reservation.
He was just repeating "what he was told" by the DZ.

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09-17-2007 01:51 AM  10 years agoPost 72
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Yeah clouds in the late fall and winter hurt like a biatch! I've spent whole dives with a full face helmet but also with my hands covering up my neck. Hurts like hell. Normally though if you're not above freezing its just a nice soft pillow you fall through. It can actually give you quit a ground rush sometimes.

Some of my most memorable jumps were through coulds... but don't tell the FAA

Shawn

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09-17-2007 01:51 AM  10 years agoPost 73
sincity

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From 2 different guys.
One of the ex Army jumper guys I work with. (He learned it in the Army)

And the other numbnuts we put in charge of making our reservation.
He was just repeating "what he was told" by the DZ.
HAHAHHAA... that is freakin hilarious!

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09-17-2007 02:16 AM  10 years agoPost 74
Dood

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I just got off the phone with the DZ.

check this out.
I aint jumping...

Tandem that is.

Im doing my AFF course on Friday.

$300 Thats it! Includes course and first jump.
as opposed to about $170 for a tandem jump.

$160 for jumps 2 through 4

$60 for jumps 4 through 25

I'll be going with the big group of guys on Sunday, but it looks like only them, will have other dudes strapped to their back.

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09-17-2007 02:18 AM  10 years agoPost 75
TrexRookie

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http://www.iflysfbay.com/

that's a brand spankin' new wind tunnel that's about 45 minutes from me.... once I win the lottery and have oodles of money, I plan to use this as my intro to skydiving... get the basics of how to control myself in a jump, and then go from there...

still waiting for my numbers to come up tho..

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09-17-2007 04:10 AM  10 years agoPost 76
LouInSD

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Dood,

Congrats! I always wanted to do that. That's the way to go, definitely! Sounds like a good deal too. Let us know how it goes and dont forget to post video!

Trex rookie,

I'd like to find one of those in my area. Looks like a lot of fun...

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09-17-2007 04:42 AM  10 years agoPost 77
RonHill

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I'd like to find one of those in my area. Looks like a lot of fun..
Closest to you is in Perris, CA.

http://www.skydiveperris.com/tunnel.html

15N to the 215 about 1.5 hrs North.

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09-17-2007 05:09 AM  10 years agoPost 78
Dood

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Here is the website of the DZ I will be jumping from.

http://www.blueskies-skydiving.com/Home.htm

And this might be the last thing I see before I die.

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09-17-2007 05:23 AM  10 years agoPost 79
LouInSD

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Dood,

I've been told that statisically you're safer skydiving than getting on the freeway to go to work...

Don't know if thats true...

Ron,

I do remember now that Perris has a tunnel, too bad there's nothing closer...

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09-17-2007 05:36 AM  10 years agoPost 80
Dood

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I've been told that statisically you're safer skydiving than getting on the freeway to go to work...
Lets see.
A car traveling at 65mph directly into opposing traffic also travelling at 65mph for a combined speed of 130mph. ????Hmm.

I can see your point there.

So do I get where an airbag too when I skydive?

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