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03-14-2003 11:44 AM  14 years agoPost 21
heliwilly

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CCPM Raptor

Stephen,

As you say the servo tray needs to go, this is only there at the moment to locate the throttle servo. It may be a while before I go electric but I will keep the Forum informed when I do.
There is a different pinion fitted to the motor to give correct head speed.
Have you seen the Electraflight site? it is where I got my inspiration from.

http://www.electraflight.com/

Heliwilly

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03-14-2003 04:22 PM  14 years agoPost 22
Lift

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I know some of you guys will disagree and argue the standard mix vs. eCCPM crap to death but I think eCCPM on model helicopters is just flat out optimal for 3D. Sure a standard mix machine has less opportunity for interaction but in flight it's almost irrelevant.

I have owned 4 CCPM and 3 std mix 90 degree helis and my vote goes to eCCPM. Way to go guys!!! Keep it up! I am anxiously waiting for the eheli community to come to the forefront.

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03-16-2003 11:22 AM  14 years agoPost 23
K&B

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After a full day of flying I can say this set-up rocks !!!!!!!!!!!!
I turned the radio over to Ron Kummer and he really likes the set-up.
I am ready to do one for my other R50 now !!!!!
Sweet

Thanks Guys for the help

Kevin

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03-16-2003 01:05 PM  14 years agoPost 24
Itsindilas

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Good Job!!

Anyone knows, where I could find a CCPM conversion kit for my Rappy???

Thank you in advance guys!

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03-17-2003 09:34 PM  14 years agoPost 25
Carolina Raptor

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Approx what angle are the front servos from the side frame? Are you looking for the linkage to be 90 deg from the swash?

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03-17-2003 10:28 PM  14 years agoPost 26
K&B

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I set the servos so they are at the 120 around the swash

Kevin

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03-17-2003 10:47 PM  14 years agoPost 27
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Another Pic

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03-18-2003 12:16 AM  14 years agoPost 28
K&B

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You can think what you want but we had 2 raptors side by side and I can tell you that it is far more responsive than the stock one. If I didn't like it I wouldn't be changing my other heli. I didn't have a balance problem and I am running a 1700 small battery pack.

Kevin

I think I see alot of fury extreme CCPM's and they are not a cheap heli!

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03-18-2003 12:23 AM  14 years agoPost 29
K&B

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They fly on the same set-up that I just used and yes you have to have a radio that will do ccpm and some good servos but it is worth the time and effort. I only did it because I can and I love the way it flys now.

Kevin

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03-18-2003 12:27 AM  14 years agoPost 30
Dyehard

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One thing can't be argued. Three 90 oz.in. servos will move a loaded swashplate faster than one 120 oz.in. servo. As 3D flying has acquired more swashplate slamming manuevers, this ability is becoming more in demand.

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03-18-2003 12:29 AM  14 years agoPost 31
K&B

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You said it!!!!!

Kevin

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03-18-2003 12:38 AM  14 years agoPost 32
Dyehard

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Another thing that can be said it that eCCPM won't necessarily make a heli fly any worse, properly done. Curtis flew both control systems in his Viger, before it was ever released, and talking to him, he seemed to prefer the eCCPM version. The flying at the last Worlds, won by Curtis flying the eCCPM Vigor, was better that any I can remember seeing. Cliff Hiatt is putting a lot of effort into designing the Fai Fury, so he also seems to think their is a lot of potiental in eCCPM for precision flying. Anyone who has seen Jason Kraus fly 3D and thinks it is in any way limiting him is seeing something I certainly can't see.

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03-18-2003 12:42 AM  14 years agoPost 33
Torkroll

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eccpm electric Raptor 60

I hope to see the 60 done, glow or electric.
Are there 120 or 140 12 mm swashes for it?


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03-18-2003 12:43 AM  14 years agoPost 34
Dyehard

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Simple answer, to do manuevers requiring a lot or speed. At the last XFC, both Jason and Curtis were doing manuevers that had the swashplate slamming from one extreem to the other, faster than any mCCPM heli being driven by one collective servo that I have ever seen. I don't know if it should be considered matching the equipment to the flying style or matching the flying style to the equipment, but I've never seen anything like it until the advent of the current eCCPM helis.

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03-18-2003 12:53 AM  14 years agoPost 35
Dyehard

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Curtis could have designed the Vigor either way, in fact did, and it would have sold just as well either way. You must not know Curtis, he doesn't say things just to sell things. I've known him since he was a kid. I've never known him to give a dishonest answer. Sometimes he does things a bit differently from everyone else, but he is always honest and sincere.

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03-18-2003 01:17 AM  14 years agoPost 36
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Absolutely. As I said, he designed the Vigor both as an mCCPM heli and as an eCCPM heli. He flew it both ways, just as well both ways from what I could see and said he really like the eCCPM version. Since he can fly better than anyone I've ever met, I value his opinion. The only difference I can see in his flying between the two versions is the collective slamming manuevers. The mCCPM version he flew at the IRCHA meet never jumped as quick as the eCCPM version.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that one control system is automatically superior to the other, they both have advantages and disadvantages. How well either system works depends on what the individual pilot wants and how much effort he puts into working with his chosen system. There are no clear cut winners.

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03-18-2003 01:45 AM  14 years agoPost 37
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Colin, just to give you an idea of what I mean by quicker, at the XFC, the pilots flew to music. Towards the end of Curtis' flight, he can down inverted to just below head high, did two inverted circles about 250 feet in diameter, just missing himself each time as he came around, at what seemed like 90 MPH. After the second inverted circle, he went straight up to about twenty feet and started piroetting vertically. At each half piroette, he slammed the heli about four or five feet sideways with the collective, all precisely timed to a very fast beat in the music. That slamming piroette to music, with every slam timed exactly to the music, had to be seen to be believed. Each slam was almost a blur.He then came staight down and went into a backwards inverted circle at the same high speed as the upright ones. The most beautiful freestyle flying I have ever seen. The judges thought so too.

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03-18-2003 02:04 AM  14 years agoPost 38
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So some seemed to think, there was a post on RR soon afterwards about dangerous flying at some of the heli events. With Curtis doing the flying, I'll stand in harms way and watch anytime.

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