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HelicopterHIROBOOther › Just starting into forward flight
02-12-2003 04:39 PM  15 years agoPost 1
craig nagy

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I am just starting into forward flight I am thinking about buying an X-SPEC is there anything I should consider..

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02-12-2003 07:37 PM  15 years agoPost 2
shamoo

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Be sure you want to spend lots of money on a crash. Use what you have now to perfect your flying skills. Use the extra money to burn fuel. When you can fly at all levels of hover autos etc without problems then may be invest in it.
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02-12-2003 08:04 PM  15 years agoPost 3
jkelly

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The Freya is fairly inexpensive for a 60 sized machine and the crash costs are not the worst in comparison to some other machines. It can get quite costly depending on the severity of the crash but the performance is all around better than any 30. Some guys even stray away from 30s and jump to the 60s from the start. I really like to try new things with the Raptor 30 before I try them with the big bird. If you can do it well with a 30 you generally can do it easily with a 60.

One other thing, once you fly your 60 or 90 you may not like your 30 any more.

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02-12-2003 08:12 PM  15 years agoPost 4
craig nagy

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Well thats what I have been told I fly a shuttle zx at this time and it has been to the war and still flys but I think its time to make the jump I just been so undecided over the past few months on wich way to stray

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02-12-2003 08:12 PM  15 years agoPost 5
fitenfyr

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Shoot for the middle..
The X-spec IMO is a machine that you want to consider when you are very comfortable with Fast foward flight, autorotations, and all orientation hovering.
The Freya 60 is a good ship to learn things on, but it will go VERY fast as compared to a 30 and you need to be 2 steps ahead of the machine at all times due to that speed. Planning your turns and such until you are comfortable with flying to the point where a rapid high speed turn will be a non-event.

Consider some of the 50 sized ships like the Sceadu or the Raptor 50 (IMO in that order. ).
They afford you the power to weight ratio that you need to advance your skills along with a low crash index.

That being said get comfortable with fast forward flight on your current ship and some basic aerobatics (loops, rolls, stall turns) before you upgrade to another ship.

Jason Stiffey
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02-12-2003 08:19 PM  15 years agoPost 6
Augusto

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There is an argument between using 30 sized machines or 60 sized machines for learning.

I think that the best bang fo the buck is a 30 sized machine and not only that but using a 30 size engine will teach you better pitch management too.

There is the other school of thought that believes that 60 sized helis being that much more stable are inherently easier to fly and therefore learn on. There is some merit to that but there's also an issue of higher cost per crash.

If you went for a 60 sized heli I would consider either the Freya or the Raptor 60 because they are the cheapest to repair. Long time ago I did a comparison between repair costs and I was surprised to find out that even though at the begining the initial cost of the Freya was more the crash cost was less than the Raptor 60.

Now going back to your question if you agree with the 60 size school of thought then your question has an interesting twist to it. Having X-Specs myself I can tell you that the things that make the X-Spec different than the Freya are actually things that almost never break in a crash. The carbon side frames are amazingly resilient and odly enough the aluminum landing gear can be bent back into shape most of the times or simply replace it with a plastic one. With this in mind it's not surprising that the crash cost for an X-Spec is very similar to the one of a Freya. So it's up to you to decide if you want ot take the plunge now and avoid having to buy the X-Spec later. In any case I would not install a .90 size engine. Freya or X-Spec I would still install a .60 size engine in it.

If it was me I would still consider the 30 size heli as the way to go but if you're decided on going 60 size this are some issues to consider.

Augusto.

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02-12-2003 11:32 PM  15 years agoPost 7
Scooterpilot

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X-Spec
The Xspec is a fantastic machine. Compared to the other heli's in my fleet it out flies them hands down. It's very stable and hover and does auto's with a great deal of energy in the blades. However, before I attempt anything new in my Xspec I do practice with my raptor first. Repair cost is cheaper.

IMO, you should be able to hover tail in, nose in, sideways, inverted hover nose in, tail in, sideways and inverted flight first. Personally, my experience has shown that has taught me orientation and control input correction so I can recover when I get in trouble.

There are many benefits from a 60. Stability and auto's being two of them. However, I totally agree with what "fitenry" said, a 60 will get ahead of before you realize it and you have to constantly be thinking about what you want it to do and how you're going to recover if something goes wrong.

If you comfortable with all orientations in flight, inverted as well, then enjoy the Xspec, it's fun to build and when set up properly all you have to do it fly it. It's been a very low maintenance heli for me

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