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08-13-2007 12:05 AM  10 years agoPost 1
helicenter

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Winter Haven Fl.

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Guys Darrell Sprayberry called me this after noon to talk about the scale contest at Ircha.

I told him I have seen nothing about the scale portion, there are over 600 pilots registered this year, I guess only 9 scale machines in competition, he said they did the scale thing on a back lot away from the spectators.

Darrell first place

Bob Harris second place

If anyone has more information please post it.

Doug

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08-13-2007 12:53 AM  10 years agoPost 2
Free Bird

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It's a shame that scale is pushed out of the way and out of sight at an event of this size. While 3D is great, not all heli pilots want to, or can do 3D. IRCHA should, IMO, be doing more to promote scale, not just 3D. An event like this is an opportunity to show all facets of RC helis, not just 3D. It's unfortunate and we all loose.

Just my .02 cents

FB

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08-13-2007 02:02 AM  10 years agoPost 3
Autoeject

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Ashtabula, OH, USA

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I couldn't figure why I missed Darrel in the scale contest. I've been wanting to see his cobra fly since I saw it at Toledo Weak Signals. That sucks that they pushed them off to the sidelines. Darrel didn't say anything about that.
Fortunately, he was kind enough to break it out again today for those of us that missed him in the competition. One word for that heli...Sweet!
Thanks again, Darrel!

Mark Webber
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08-13-2007 11:32 AM  10 years agoPost 4
felix12

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I odnt think scale flying should be oushed to the side at all.
I know scale flying is really my thing, and my pod and boom heli's were ever only intended for peractcing on.
I think what the 3D guys do is very clever, but how many times can you watch falming tic tocs and figure eights without it getting a bit "more of same"?
No two flights or helis are the same with scale machines in my humble opinion.

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08-13-2007 01:51 PM  10 years agoPost 5
BigguyOz

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I don't think I have ever watched a whole 3D routine apart from a couple by Alan Szabo Jr. Their antics are so unrepresentative of full-size that, no matter how clever, they just get boring real fast.... This is quite a different thing to aerobatic fixed wing planes, as the 3D models and the full-size are more similar in antics. Just my 2c, probably unnecessary, preaching to the choir

Tony Stott

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08-13-2007 02:48 PM  10 years agoPost 6
doorman

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Scale Flying....

I have to agree with all of the above, meaning scale should get more recognition at events like this... there is a growing trend for the scale heli fliers now, as seen by the variety of scale fuselages that are now available in all shapes, sizes, and amount of work needed to dress up your pod and boom....
Not to take anything away from the 3D guys either, but from my seat, I have to agree again that after a couple of flights, it does start to become boring to me... but I am in no way saying that these guys aren't flying the machines to there absolute limits and that they "don't" know what they are doing... it is just two totally different disciplines all working towards the same end.... and I am 100% certain that a 3D pilot, even though they might like to see the scale birds fly too, would get bored to tears after watching two or three scale birds fly...
With over 600 pilots at IRCHA and ONLY 9 scale machines, I can also understand why they would not push real hard to make room... But I am pretty sure that if we knew before hand that the scale heli's would have a place IN THE SHOW, that more would bring out there machines to compete... and a good blend of this type would hopefully help to gather interest for both types.... in my book, we all help this hobby grow, but we need to be seen to be appreciated... IMHO..
I am now off of the soap box..... Thank you.... Stan

I got to meet and fly with Darrell at the NATS and his machine is beautiful, and he is also a pleasure just to set and talk to about how and why he did things the way he did them... and everyone else that was there were also just has helpful and glad to discuss the different aspects of our hobby....

SOOOO, lets see some more of the shows that are going on just about every weekend start to include the scale "gang" so that we know that we will be able to fly and be seen too... (couldn't help myself:rolleyes

AMA 2918-Team JR, Spin Blades, East Coast Scale Helicopter,Castle Creations

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08-13-2007 02:53 PM  10 years agoPost 7
Havoc

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The nice thing about that hover area is that it was bigger than the tiny flight box they give the others and no fear of another heli going into the box.

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08-13-2007 03:23 PM  10 years agoPost 8
Notar

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I have been a judge and participant at many of the IRCHA scale meets. While i think that putting them in the back away from all the other pilots is depriving the rest of the pilots the chance to see them fly, i also believe it made the scale pilots fly the pattern better, knowing that they were not going to get hit in the head with a pod and boom. This alone made it a better venue out back, knowing that you could fly without the fear of a mid air or worse. I think the advertising of the event could have been better out back, but outside of this, it went off very well.
Joe

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08-13-2007 03:38 PM  10 years agoPost 9
Dr.Tim

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I am very Happy that everything went off well but, I think they should have shut down a few flight stations like in the past. I raised a little cain to get that going and the first year I don't show they herd the scale guys out back again .... I guess it's time to let IRCHA have a few words about how we feel.
As far as 3d ... well, "If you can't fly scale then fly 3D"

Dr.Tim

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08-13-2007 04:12 PM  10 years agoPost 10
Raptorchief

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Kinda cheap

I watched the scale, had 2 friends who were in the scale comp. Thought since they spend 100's of hours working on them and thousands of dollars on them, a prize for the first three places would have been in order, after all a few team pilots who competed in drags and pylon won many prizes, yes they did deserve them but the scale guys should get a bigger recognition (show center)and prizes to go with it. Just my .2 cents

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08-13-2007 04:26 PM  10 years agoPost 11
doorman

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Agreed....

I have to agree with Joe, that it sure had to feel a lot safer not being next to a flight station with the chance of a 3D pilot flying into your space and that is that way it should be... But as noted by Dr Tim and Raptorchief, we would like to be In The Show.... and I am pretty certain that if there were enough scale machines there to compete that IRCHA will be able to come up with a place for us...

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08-13-2007 05:03 PM  10 years agoPost 12
Dr.Tim

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Doorman, They would shut down a few flight stations and let us fly .. we had a lot of room and the flip floppers were not an issue! But, With all the money and time put into our models I do not feel we should be SECOND CLASS Citizens!! I will be speaking to Mr. Milner and voiceing our concerns .. I had to miss this year due to Health issues but I am feeling much better ... I will see everyone next year.

Dr.Tim

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08-13-2007 05:11 PM  10 years agoPost 13
Copter Doctor

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Just to clear things up a bit, there were more scale machines present than what was entered in the contest so lets not go thinking that out of 700 pilots only 9 or so scalers. i agree with Joe onthe area to fly. while it was very comforting to be away from the 3d pilots being right next to you. it could have been advertised a bit better so more people would have known it was going on at the time it was scheduled. It was very nice to see some new faces entering the contest. the gentleman with the dauphin did a marvelous job of flying to a 3rd place win and deserves a lot od credit as his display not only pleased the judges but was entertaining to the crowd as well.
while i was very disapointed that my issues prevented me from doing the flight rounds, i am very lucky the damage was quite minimal. it has however provento me that this isnt the year for my blackhawk so far. maybe it will be a better behaved machine at the Dalton event. i would like to thank all those who came over to me with the comforting words. Thankfully, mine was the only mishap and i think everyone had a great time. congratulations again to Darrell on a well flown contest and a well deserved win.

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08-15-2007 08:16 PM  10 years agoPost 14
bcopters500

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Its Time for Heli Top Gun Scale International 2008, There will be new technology UAV capabilitys and we all know it aint easy making it LOOK EASY!

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08-19-2007 05:26 AM  10 years agoPost 15
AceHelis

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Georgetown, Texas

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Sorry!

Scale is my real love, I had an MZ Bell 212 with Benzin mechanics, sol it to pay for my wedding , and I will have another someday (hopefully turbine). I can fly scale all day long with the best of them but it is NOTHING!! compared to the skill that is required to do some of even the most basic 3D maneuvers. I have a trex 600 and have been flying 3D now for about a year (since I cant afford the scale) and it is simply amazing what it requires. It makes you a far better pilot. You have to be absolutely comfortable in any and all orentations of that machine. I love both aspects of the sport but there is no comparison as to who has more skill. No offense to anyone.

Did he crash? Dang I missed it!

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08-19-2007 09:01 AM  10 years agoPost 16
seattle_helo

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Joe and anyone else who has been to IRCHA before: why do you suppose they don't promote the scale aspect more?

nick

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08-19-2007 01:03 PM  10 years agoPost 17
dialarotor

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Traverse City,​Michigan

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It was nice to see the big beautiful Tow Cobra that MRC/JEFF GREEN donated to the prize wagon went to a scale pilot.Thank Jef Green. IMO that prize should have been set aside for the scale winner, might help increase entry and it would be nice to know that something like that would come back to the scale event instead of getting EBAY'ed for the latest 3D machine if a non-scaler were to have won the thing. I think it is time for MRC/ACE THUNDER TIGER/ VARIO/CENTURY to maybe take turns to put up a nice scaler for the scale heli prize, since they are the largest suppliers of scale helis in the US. Even old stock or discontinued bird would be more than a photo/hand shake/and standara AMA plaque.
Bring those SCALE BIRDS down by flight stations #11-#13 and IRCHA should let them have the 3 boxes for half a day Saturday. There are plenty of golf carts to get the birds down there. Lots of space and nice area and there always seem to be lots of the non-HOTSHOE pilots with scale machines in that area to get away from the 3D-DAWGS. East End of the line RULES!! We had 3 scale types hovering and tuning(flying my JETRANGER inverted) in that area and will be bringing more next year. Come on scale GEEKS and sport scalers come and hang with the NW Michigan heli guys. We love flying into the JR pilot boxes.

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08-19-2007 03:48 PM  10 years agoPost 18
Christopher J

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I can fly scale all day long with the best of them but it is NOTHING!! compared to the skill that is required to do some of even the most basic 3D maneuvers.
Interesting.....no offense taken by the comment but I disagree. Having flown both 3D and scale. With 3D you have to react with scale you have to concentrate and fly the maneuver. I think it takes more skill to fly a flat level circuit without much devience in altitude or to make a "hot" approach and landing like a real Heuy then to do basic 3D maneuvers.

I do agree however that some of the more advanced 3D maneuvers not only take reaction but quick thinking and skill. Both disciplines can be very challenging, it just depends on which is more to ones liking.

Christopher J
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08-19-2007 08:15 PM  10 years agoPost 19
doorman

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Well Said!!!!

Very nicely said "CJ", and I do agree.... I am not a 3D flier, but have practiced all orientations and knowing them, I would agree, does make for a better pilot.... I fly scale because I like to... I don't take anything away from the guys flying 3D... and I do enjoy seeing some of it...and am amazed most of the time, but it is just not for me...
A long flat turn, and a smooth approach to a soft touch down is about as good as it gets in my book....
Oh and watch the flight line somtime when a scale machine is flying.. you will know that the spectators appreciate the effort you have put into your machine....
But the bottom line is fly what you like.... and have fun...

Stan

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08-20-2007 05:08 AM  10 years agoPost 20
AceHelis

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Well said

And I fully agree. It is a matter of preference. I do understand the skill that it takes to fly a smooth pattern, and it amazes me to see these guys doing 3d manauvers all day long but cant even fly in a smooth straight line or hover nose in??? Honest?? I have seen this. But since I have been practincing the 3D stuff it just blows my mind how these guys can think quick enough to slow down the manauver in their mind and perform something like a ailerom rolling inside circle or a sustained "piroetting flip" one foot off the ground and in the same position. So I have to restate my humble opionion that although it does take much practice to perform a smooth figure eight to a soft descent landing, there is no comparison to the skill it takes to do the 3D. So I am aggreeing but disagreeing. Still I cant wait to fly scale again. Someday I will have either a Bell 212 or 412 with turbine!!

Did he crash? Dang I missed it!

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