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08-11-2007 11:14 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Machinehead01

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Hey all I was one of the lucky ones to go to the IRCHA event yesterday. I met our beloved leader MR. John Beech, very nice guy just as we have all suspected. I was also priviledged to meet Cutis Youngblood who is a very down to earth fellow, polite and not full of himself as some of the others that I met there. I got to see first hand how the Pantera handles medium to hard 3D. In the hands of an expert this heli is everything you could ask for and more. The Pantera demo was done by Kyle Stacy and the videos are no joke, he's the REAL thing!!! He did tricks with a box stock Pantera that some of us only wish we could do!! He's a quite little guy who seems kinda bashful when you compliment him on his flying skills. The Pantera took what he threw at it and held up like a Rock!! The Trex 600n didn't fair as well, it suffered some kinda mechanical failure and dropped right out of the sky. I don't know the cause of the failure as none of the Align boys were talking(maybe Jason Krauss pushed alittle to hard or it could have been servo failure). The new Jr Vibe 50 faired even worse, about 45 seconds into the demo and we heard the whap whap whap of a boom strike and down it went, the sad part was that the pilot never even got into any hard flying. I got to talk to john a couple of times (he was running around quite abit and was pretty busy with people stopping by the booth)and he really knows his stuff. The Wildcat 325 is nicer in real life then the pics show it to be, very solid on the construction, it has a few bugs to be ironed out,(all small stuff) but hey thats why you prototype something first. I had the opportunity to meet some of the people that post here, and it was nice to be able to talk in real time and get some of their perspectives on the Pantera and flying it and flying in general. I sat and worked on a special project with the DUDE II. I won't go into detail just incase John was saving this as a up and coming thing, but I will say that it is Pantera based and if it works out the Pantera could turn into the BADDEST 50 size in production!!
The event is Huge and at the time I was there they had over 630+ pilots registered to fly!! As far as helis were concerned you name it and it was there, I watched the Aurora fly, the Snyergy's,Centurys,Evos,turbines,gassers,electrics you name it it was there!!
The weather was hot clear and windy, but the helis were flying like there wasn't any wind at all.
Well I hope that as rc heli pilot's if you ever get the chance you can go to one of these events it's billed as the biggest heli event in the world! I saw pilots from all corners of the world Japan,Austria,Germany,U.S.A,Canada,China...
It was a great time for me, although I ended as red as the stripe on the Pantera I'd do it again in a heartbeat!!!

Thomas

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08-12-2007 12:55 AM  10 years agoPost 2
billm

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Thomas
Thanks for the great review.
Was Lynn at the show?

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08-12-2007 01:09 AM  10 years agoPost 3
Machinehead01

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Yes lynn is at the show and shes as nice in person as she is on the phone. I forgot to mention that John also had his new blades there. They look really nice and high quality. I bought a set of the composite blades for my Pan but I haven't flown them yet. The carbons and the composites both have pink bottoms to help in knowing orientation in high flight. Both blades have a rainbow defraction sticker on the top. All in all nice blades.

Thomas

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08-12-2007 02:29 AM  10 years agoPost 4
rsalazar

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Thomas, thanks for the report. It looks like you had fun

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08-12-2007 02:40 AM  10 years agoPost 5
DS 8717

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We had a pantera just slam into the ground for no reason all at our fun fly,we found out later it was mechanical failure.

YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED

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08-12-2007 02:48 AM  10 years agoPost 6
rsalazar

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MR10X

Just curious, what kind of mechanical failure?

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08-12-2007 02:56 AM  10 years agoPost 7
DS 8717

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I think something broke on it.

YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED

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08-12-2007 12:08 PM  10 years agoPost 8
RadioFlyerMk

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I am just curious, why post that it was mechanical failure?...but you dont know what failed, just that something broke? That doesnt even make sense? What is the goal of that post? I would like to know.

And....What, other heli's don't have mechanical failure? Do we need to go post in the Align, or other manufacturers section, about the "IRCHA" crashes witnessed? Could have been poor maintenance or pilot error, or radio failure? More often than not, a crash is due to pilot error. Either over looking something during preflight, poor maintenance, dumb thumbs, it just happens. Why do people always try to blame everything except themselves.

And furthermore, what did that comment even have to do with the topic?

I dont get that, I really don't. You know, the 600N has several issues as posted right here on RR, but people aren't tearing up Align, they are waiting for ALign to fix it because they WANT Align to be the best, rather it is or not.

I have trex's and I like them, and I have had raptors. I just sit here and wonder sometimes, why are some people attacking the Pantera, holding it to the highest levels of perfection, maybe they feel threatened?

Was nice to see John again, super nice guy. Enjoyed the talk and checking out the booth!

Kyle did an awesome job with the Pantera, I really like his style. I would have liked to have spoke with him, but everytime I saw him he was up to something, so I didn't butt in.

He was very smooth on those sticks and I have been waiting for quite a while to check that Pantera out in flight. I was not dissappointed. It performed so smoothly, reminded me of the Logo, which I was impressed with as well. You have a great machine there John!

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08-12-2007 12:10 PM  10 years agoPost 9
DS 8717

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I didnt go over and look at it,it didnt interst me.I just saw it go in hard.It was one john brought there so it was the only one there.

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08-12-2007 03:45 PM  10 years agoPost 10
RonHill

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RadioFlyerMk
I am just curious, why post that it was mechanical failure?
For the exact same reason MH1 said, 'The Trex 600n didn't fair as well, it suffered some kinda mechanical failure and dropped right out of the sky.' or 'The new Jr Vibe 50 faired even worse, about 45 seconds into the demo and we heard the whap whap whap of a boom strike and down it went, the sad part was that the pilot never even got into any hard flying.'

Rumor has it that the "mechanical failure" on the 600N had to do with JK hitting the tail on the ground earlier in the flight stripping the gears a bit(Like I have seen done with ANY brand)...Like 15 seconds into it, and when he did the spinny falling thingy the gears gave up the ghost.

The Jr heli is a PROTOTYPE. Which means it is not ready to be sold....
I just sit here and wonder sometimes, why are some people attacking the Pantera, holding it to the highest levels of perfection, maybe they feel threatened?
I sit here and wonder why people who like the Pantera have to attack other brands?...Ya know, just like the first post mentioned two other helis crashing...Care to explain why a "pat on the back" Audacity post needed to mention two other brands crashing? MR10X was just doing what was already started...Why didn't you get upset when MH1 did it?

Why should every other heli be held to the highest standards and NOT the Pantera?

Ever read the Bible...I used to. There is a passage from Galatians, "A man reaps what he sows." From the in your face marketing "Top of the line 50's that foist push pull linkages on the public are the result of manufacturers too cheap to update their designs (notice the Aurora is going to have push pull)". To supporters trying to slam any other machine. I guess the answer to your question would be found in the move Independence Day,"Don't start nothing, won't be nothing"--Will Smith.

I ask again, why did you only jump on MR10X and not
Machinehead01 for doing the same exact thing?

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08-12-2007 04:03 PM  10 years agoPost 11
Machinehead01

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I'm sorry if I didn't seem objective enough in my report. I am a Pantera owner, but love helis in general. I did try to talk to the Align guys and they weren't talking, maybe they didn't know yet what had happened as it was almost right after the crash. Forgive me for not also writing that the JR Vibe 50 was indeed a prototype. My intentions were to give a view into how the show looked, not to bash any one heli. I have seen the 600n fly before and granted the pilot didn't push it, the heli seem to fly no better then the Pantera. In defense of the 600n at the show,Jason did push it very hard, and up till the crash, it was a flawless flight with some very hard 3D.

Again I an sorry.

Thomas

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08-12-2007 04:57 PM  10 years agoPost 12
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Not this cr!p again.

Let's put this into perspective gentlemen. This reminds me of when I had Transformers...we'd always fight/argue of how the Autobots will crush the Decepticons...
I'm here in Iraq and I can think of a lot more things to argue about than 'my model heli is better than yours' I am still amazed that there's an event like IRCHA and see grown men talk about it like going to Mecca.
Some people like the 600N, some the Pantera...this hobby would be pretty boring if we were limited to one brand of model heli.
It's a cool, fun hobby not a religion. Ever wonder how the Shiites and Sunnis got started?

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08-12-2007 05:07 PM  10 years agoPost 13
billm

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Rennster,
You hit it on the head. Thanks for your sevice to our country and the world. Be safe.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic

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08-12-2007 06:24 PM  10 years agoPost 14
Machinehead01

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So very true..

Very true Ren. Just like Ford and Chevy or Chevy and Ford DA DA, DA DA. I couldn't honestly tell you what fly's best as I am still learning. I will say this, It will take a pilot of many hours to ever find the limits of any of the newer helis out there and most of us may never achieve that level. Suffice it to say if a heli has the features you want buy it,fly it, and help those not up to your level if asked, it will never matter what they are flying if you can help somebody to improve themselves or their machine.

Thomas

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08-12-2007 06:26 PM  10 years agoPost 15
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We had a pantera just slam into the ground for no reason all at our fun fly,we found out later it was mechanical failure.
No way, you're lying, there's no way there was a mechanical failure on any Pantera. There are mechanical failures on ANY helicopter, I've had or seen them on Evos, Raptors, Pantera, 600Ns, JRs, T-Rex 450s, X-Cells, Furys, everything. They can all fail, and making a post like that is pointless.

Nick Crego

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08-12-2007 08:03 PM  10 years agoPost 16
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I was going to respond in detail explaining further, but, here is all I really want to say at this point...The initial post was not targeting in nature, IMO, and was not posted in the align section saying negative things. The author even said it could have been this or that, and I think most know the Vibe is a prototype.

I do not own a Pantera, I am looking at buying a 600N. And right now, all I have flying are two Trex 450's.

My opinion is truly this, I think they all fly good if the setup and equipment is good. I would own one of each if I could. My money is precious to me as I don't have alot of it, so when I buy, I personally will buy what I want and can afford. My main attraction to the 600N is replacement part prices.

No one is holding the Pantera any less accountable than anyone else, for sure!

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08-13-2007 03:57 PM  10 years agoPost 17
jvanscoyk

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At the end of the day it's still just a hobby and it's still just an expensive toy.

Just have fun!

Jim

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08-14-2007 03:19 AM  10 years agoPost 18
hootowl

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At the end of the day it's still just a hobby and it's still just an expensive toy.
Slightly more complicated than that.

For $400 there are a lot of 50 class choices.

Bump up top $600 and the choices slim out to some of the better helis.

Lot's of money from a personal standpoint are at stake.

We want reliable helis that perform well and have parts that are reasonably priced and are easy to get. That is the winning heli/heli's in my book.

I like having many to choose from. I think my next one will be an MA Razor 600N. Looks like a fun machine to tinker with.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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08-14-2007 04:02 AM  10 years agoPost 19
billm

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Mike,
$400 bucks and you have a chopper?
For the kit maybe. One must remember all the stuff just to get it in the air. But I'm preaching to the fold on this one.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic

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08-14-2007 04:14 PM  10 years agoPost 20
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Ford vs. Chevy . . . as American as apple pie!

Meanwhile, a brief mention was made of our new SWE blades. Did you guys know the winner at the recent 3D Masters flew our SWE Blades? Sure, we're not on as many machines (yet) as others good blades, but our SWE blades are a very, very nice product. I'm proud to have them.

I guess now we'll start an SWE vs. V-Blades war - heavy sigh. It's all good.


John Beech
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