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08-12-2007 05:32 PM  10 years agoPost 21
AirWolfRC

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Bad Karma,
You're talking out of both sides of your keyboard.
I think you should decide what your focus is.
Note - - don't you believe in simple accuracy ?

More important, why did you start this in the first place ? ? ?

Is this another example of you bringing "bad karma" to the situation ? ?

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08-12-2007 05:37 PM  10 years agoPost 22
RonHill

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AirWolfRC

People will get hurt as long people are in motion, and even if they aren't for that matter
So you think that is the end? Just deal with it? Cars are going to crash, so why have seat belts and airbags...I mean people are going to get hurt, why bother to protect them?

I am not for a nanny state, but leaving some simple things to common sense clearly does not work. What the hell is wrong with having a rule keeping spectators "X" feet away? And having that distance make sense?
The incidents at IRCHA were accidents, not the result of careless or reckless actions.
Exactly, yet people still got hurt. So since the people were not idiots, maybe there needs to be some more attention paid to the issue. If a guy was acting like an idiot and flew into a guy...Well no need for closer examination...The guy would have been an idiot, case closed. But these cases are some of the best pilots STILL hitting others. So maybe a closer look at the setup is needed.
Others simply make adjustments in the way they do things and move on.
You are the only one being aggressive and implying that anyone that sees an issue is chicken little. Seeing a problem and bringing it up is not a bad thing...ignoring it is.
But then again, some people really aren't too smart.
For example, choosing to live in New Orleans where the sea level is higher than the land - - - - and wait for a hurricane to sweep in.

But do the whiney types try to be usefull by adressing issues like that ? NO ! They hang around here and pick on two NON-fatal issues here.
Maybe since this is a RC HELI FORUM, and Most people here can't do anything about New Orleans. The people of NO and the Gov have made their choices....A Heli forum can't change that, but it CAN make some head way in this area. Seeing that is common sense. I think it was stupid to build in NO, stupid to stay, and stupid to move back...But know when and where to bitch about what. You wanna fight about NO? Move there and run for office and then make the changes instead of bitching about it on a Toy forum. Bitching about that here will not do squat. But talking about the distance from a heli to spectators can do something here.

As for non-fatal...Would it have made you feel better if people would have died? Do we have to wait for someone to die (again) before we do something?

Again, YOU are the only one being aggressive and calling people names...

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08-12-2007 05:40 PM  10 years agoPost 23
gian

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I am not going to read this whole thread. I just want to say that what we need is for people to take responsibility for their actions. Not a bunch of new rules and laws regulating what we can and can't do.

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08-12-2007 05:45 PM  10 years agoPost 24
AirWolfRC

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gain,
That, I will agree with completely.

It's a shame that others are more interested in imposing their opinion and will on others. And when they get challenged, they get all defensive, and offensive (in both definitions of the word).

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08-12-2007 05:50 PM  10 years agoPost 25
RonHill

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It's a shame that others are more interested in imposing their opinion and will on others. And when they get challenged, they get all defensive, and offensive (in both definitions of the word).
That from you is funny.....

Your first post here:
What gets me is that whenever ANY accident happens, you get the whiney over reactions from people who clearly don't have anything better to do. (thats an insult)

Get real. Life happens, deal with it !

It's a shame you whiney types (again insult) can't focus on real problems.
You focus on the minor or rear ones where you can get some ears to bend.
The same types that would sign the petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. (You implying that anyone that sees an issue is stupid...Again an attack.)

Exercise some intelligence and be responsible for your own actions and life would be better for everybody, including yourselves.
Your first post here was chocked full of insults...so thats just funny.

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08-12-2007 05:55 PM  10 years agoPost 26
Bad Karma

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Actually airwolf you started it again, with your bad karma brings bad karma comment.

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08-12-2007 06:06 PM  10 years agoPost 27
AirWolfRC

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Now that's where you're flat out wrong.
Bad Karma started it with his opening input focused sole on me, not the topic on the table and you come along and try to pin it on me.

I really don't care for short sighted input.
Or thin skinned types that over-react to reality.
- - - dihydrogen monoxide - - -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

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08-12-2007 06:23 PM  10 years agoPost 28
RonHill

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Now that's where you're flat out wrong.
Bad Karma started it with his opening input focused sole on me, not the topic on the table
As opposed to your attack on DrScoles, alvinrc, and BCX3D?
What gets me is that whenever ANY accident happens, you get the whiney over reactions from people who clearly don't have anything better to do.

Get real. Life happens, deal with it !

It's a shame you whiney types can't focus on real problems.
Dr Scoles brings up an issue, others agree and you automatically call them "whiney"

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08-12-2007 07:46 PM  10 years agoPost 29
HHawk

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Whenever theres a post like this, it always gets out of hand. So typical. Wouldnt it be better to focus on the lesson to be learned? Like maybe not doing hurricanes with 30 MPH winds blowing right at you for instance.

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08-12-2007 08:20 PM  10 years agoPost 30
electriciancarl

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Usually by overreacting like a bunch of cowards
This point made itself.
People put themselves at risk or in harms way for thrills sake all the time. Almost everything we do to entertain ourselves has danger involved. Hang gliding, Car racing, Dirt bikes, Skateboards, whatever. Different people who have different levels of courage will have different ideas of what is safe. So grow a pair and live your life, or sell your stuff and live in a bubble. Either way let me live my life.

Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse.

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08-12-2007 08:38 PM  10 years agoPost 31
Bad Karma

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Excuse me, what comment, you directed your comment at me personally, I didnt single you out at all.

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08-12-2007 09:10 PM  10 years agoPost 32
AirWolfRC

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Uh hu, yea sure, whatever you want to believe.

It just dawned on me, this has turned into a gaggle of teenagers.

See ya . . . .

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08-13-2007 12:04 AM  10 years agoPost 33
spog

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These machines are inherently dangerous and no reasonable amount of safety will prevent all accidents. If you think you're safe because the heli is 100ft away, you're wrong.
There will be more accidents, no doubt about it. All we can do is try to minimize the risk to others. Park flyers and AP'ers are the biggest risk to others, and thus the biggest risk to our hobby.

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08-13-2007 01:00 AM  10 years agoPost 34
Free Bird

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Park flyers and AP'ers are the biggest risk to others, and thus the biggest risk to our hobby.
Care to quantify that remark? Wanye Mann is into AP, and he's one of the best heli pilots in the world.

I meant to do that!

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08-13-2007 01:14 AM  10 years agoPost 35
whirlyspud

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I think the point being made is at some point it does not matter if you are a good pilot or not. Those involved here were good pilots. Whether they were "wise pilots" in the way they flew is up for debate.

Mike

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08-13-2007 01:43 AM  10 years agoPost 36
RonHill

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Usually by overreacting like a bunch of cowards
This point made itself.
People put themselves at risk or in harms way for thrills sake all the time. Almost everything we do to entertain ourselves has danger involved. Hang gliding, Car racing, Dirt bikes, Skateboards, whatever. Different people who have different levels of courage will have different ideas of what is safe. So grow a pair and live your life, or sell your stuff and live in a bubble. Either way let me live my life.
Well I very much doubt I would be considered a "coward"...Check my gallery down at the bottom...Former 82nd Infantry with over 4,000 skydives (Only 733 people in the US have done that many) with 3 instructional ratings...Plus a Master SCUBA diver with cave ratings, a pilots license, BASE jumps..ect. Does that fit your profile of a "coward"?

Just because someone see's a dangerous trend and tries to do something about it does not make them a "coward". Skydiving is the same way. A Guy bounces and some people try to fix the issue, others want to claim there is no issue to fix....I see a professional pilot being close enough to a guy to hit him when something minor goes wrong as an issue. I am just glad no one died. You may disagree with there being an issue, but calling anyone that sees an issue a "coward" is pretty silly. Play the ball, not the player if you want to be taken seriously.

I have done enough stupid ****, and seen enough death to know that you can do anything provided you have saftey measures in place. But without those safety "rules" you will see death and destruction. Ever notice that stunt men just don't scream, "Hey watch this" and then attempt something? Or that NASCAR has rules to protect the drivers, crew, and spectators?

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08-13-2007 03:44 AM  10 years agoPost 37
Heli88

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If you think you're safe because the heli is 100ft away, you're wrong.
Are you safer at 100' than you are at 10', of course you are.

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08-13-2007 02:04 PM  10 years agoPost 38
electriciancarl

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Hmmm. More sniveling. Seems I hurt your little feelings. Butch up man. Stand as far away from your heli as you must to not be afraid. Just keep your nose out of everybody elses buisness. The rest of the world does not need to be protected from itself by you.
Who are you to say what is safe and what is not. Do you know more than the professional pilots, the event staff, the AMA on who's field this is happening? These people don't need your help. I can't think of anyone who does. This country is full of candy-ass wimps who think they know what's best for everybody else. Mind your own buisness.
At the risk of sounding redundant........If your afraid, stay home.

Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse.

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08-13-2007 02:24 PM  10 years agoPost 39
whirlyspud

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Now there is a bright answer.

If someone is flying to close to me, it is my business.
Don't think for a minute that because someone is a "pro" that it puts them above reproach.

Carl, just because you are too stupid to know any better does not make everyone else into candy ass whimps. You have every right to fly how you want, Fly 3 inches from your face with a 90 for all I care, just don't try doing the same to the rest of us and then tell us it is your right to put us at the same risk you put yourself.

Mike

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08-13-2007 02:36 PM  10 years agoPost 40
RonHill

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Hmmm. More sniveling. Seems I hurt your little feelings. Butch up man.....This country is full of candy-ass wimps who think they know what's best for everybody else. Mind your own buisness.
You were not that brave via PM....I wonder why?

I'll ask in an open forum...What have you done to earn your bravado? Hover a toy inverted?

And I'll repost this since all you seem to be able to do is make personal attacks and not debate issues..Debating issues is great, acting like billy badass online is silly.

You may disagree with there being an issue, but calling anyone that sees an issue a "coward" is pretty silly. Play the ball, not the player if you want to be taken seriously.

I have done enough stupid ****, and seen enough death to know that you can do anything provided you have saftey measures in place. But without those safety "rules" you will see death and destruction...I know, I lose about one friend a year, more now that we are at war. Hell, this year I have lost three friends already.

Ever notice that stunt men just don't scream, "Hey watch this" and then attempt something? Or that NASCAR has rules to protect the drivers, crew, and spectators?

If you can't act like an adult and discuss the issue without childish attacks...Don't bother to reply...If I want macho BS, I'll go to a bar and listen to washed up high school sport stars.

Wanna debate the *Topic*? Great. But I'm done here if the best you can do is make childish attacks...

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