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HelicopterKyosho Caliber/Quest Neo-Caliber series › **NEWS**THE NEW CALIBER 4 AT IRCHA THANKS TO​RCHELIWORKS & KYOSHO
08-10-2007 10:31 PM  10 years agoPost 1
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the new kyosho caliber 4 is here at ircha!

If you want to see the new caliber 4 or maybe if your nice to me test fly it saturday at ircha around 11am, look for chris from rcheliworks i will have it here with me

you guys who liked the caliber 30 will like this heli believe me, look for new things coming from kyosho!

other kyosho news a new 450 coming soon watch right here on runryder for news or e-mail me for info, if your like me and believe in kyosho product you wont want to miss this 450

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08-10-2007 10:47 PM  10 years agoPost 2
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08-10-2007 11:19 PM  10 years agoPost 3
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That EP is CUTE It will most likely be me 1st lectric heli.

Why Kyosho not just run with the Caliber 5 canopy?? The Caliber 4 lid looks kinda like the old Caliber 30.. Kinda thought they would do like Hirobo and TT have done and made it a mixed chassis to where you can run a 30 and then upgrade to a 50 motor and gearing, blades and what not. Ohh well just glad Kyosho is still producing new helis. Cheers..

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08-11-2007 12:07 AM  10 years agoPost 4
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Caliber 5

It looks like a Cal 5 with a different head and flybar.

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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08-11-2007 02:28 AM  10 years agoPost 5
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I was greatly disappointed with the demise of the Caliber 30 from Kyosho's lineup, and I was pretty vocal here about that decision. Especially since Kyosho had no intention of bringing a 30 sized heli to the US market to replace it. The Caliber 3 was not to be imported into the states, although it's been selling elsewhere around the world for about a year.

I was interested in the Caliber 4 when I first saw it on the Japanese side of the Kyosho site and read about it in a poorly translated BabelFish translation. Initially, the Caliber 4 was also not to have been brought into the states.

The outcry over the loss of the Caliber 30 with no 30 sized replacement was loud and long. Dwight Schilling entered into the discussion here and took a fair share of "abuse" from the loyal Caliber 30 crowd. I'd like to think that the Caliber 4 is now available for the US market is the direct result of the loyal Caliber 30 owners here on RR making the case for continuing to support the 30 sized heli market.

I'd like to thank Dwight Schilling for perhaps seeing the light and lobbying Kyosho to bring the 4 to the states. Thanks Dwight.

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As for the Caliber 4:

The Caliber 4 is an upgraded Caliber 3. The gear ratio is 9.1:1 (geared more for a 50 than a 30) as opposed to the 9.65:1 of the stock Caliber 30, Caliber 3, and Caliber 5.

The Caliber 3 comes with some weird ABS plastic MR blades, and lots of plastic -- including a bunch of plastic linkages all over the head and servo linkages. It's truly an entry level, cheap heli. And a step backward from the Caliber 30. Kyosho really couldn't afford to bring in the low end 3 to replace the 30.

Enter the Caliber 4 ---

It comes standard with an EMS setup (CCPM) whereas the Caliber 3 comes with the MMS (non-CCPM) control linkages. The Caliber 4 looks to be a serious replacement for the Caliber 30, and probably shares quite a few parts with the 3 and the 30 (and for that matter, the 5). The plastic linkages are gone that come with the 3, and are replaced by real pushrods. And no doubt about it, the Caliber 4 is no longer ugly like the 30 is. The servo tray of the 4 is the same as the 30, and comes with factory parts to serve as the tray stiffener that many of us added to the 30s.

I've known these were coming for a couple of months, now. I was just wondering when they would show up. I'd love to put one of my OS 37's in the 4 and give it a go.

I'd like to give one a try as a replacement for my Caliber 30's. That flybar is from the Caliber 3, and is supposed to make aligning the paddles a snap. Don't know how well it actually works, though.

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The 450V also looks to be the culmination of some serious development at Kyosho that started with the EP400 electric heli. I bought one of those when the first became available, and it flew OK, but not really in the same class as my Trex 450s. It had a much smaller rotor diameter, weighed more than the equivalent Trex, but felt nice and smooth in the air.

I reviewed the build and flying qualities of the EP400 here on RR (there's a huge thread over in the new and emerging electric helis forum on RR). In that thread, I noted a laundry list of improvements that could be made to the EP400 to make it a great heli. About a year after it's introduction, Kyosho announced the EP400XP -- an upgraded EP400 that took nearly all of my suggestions and added them to the basic EP400. I upgraded my EP400 to the XP version, and chronicled THAT effort in the same build thread I had started a year earlier.

As the EP400XP, the heli flew better, but the head and swashplate control still were lacking in precision. I had suggested that Kyosho get rid of the mickey mouse collective pitch controls and make a better head as part of my suggestions.

The EP400XP still swung those 286 mm short woodies. And it weighed even more. It flew well, but still not as well as the Trex 450.

About six months ago, I bought some new tail booms (from a Hirobo Lepton) and some longer timing belts, and experimented with stretching the EP400XP to allow me to run 325 mm blades. The experiment proved that a larger rotor disk would be beneficial for the EP400, but the collective control and swash control of the EP400XP was the limiting factor. The heli flew, but I had a terrible time with the head turning those longer blades.

The EP450 looks like Kyosho finally took my last suggestion and got rid of the crappy collective mechanism, went with a full CCPM swash and redesigned the head to look like a mini-Caliber 5.

I would like to try this heli, too. It looks like the third time around will be the charm for the EP heli.

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Good to see both of these machines available in the states.

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08-11-2007 02:27 PM  10 years agoPost 6
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to where you can run a 30 and then upgrade to a 50 motor and gearing, blades and what not
The stock gearing of the 4 is 9.1:1 -- suitable for a 50. As a matter of fact, the stock gearing for the Caliber 5 is 9.65:1 -- same as the old Caliber 30. The upgrade pinion sold for the Caliber 5 changes the gearing to 9.1:1.

So, it appears that you could drop a 50 into the 4, add the tail boom and belt from the 5, add some 600 mains and 95 mm tail blades, you'd be ready to fly. I'd guess you'd need to use the 5's motor mount, as well.

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08-11-2007 07:44 PM  10 years agoPost 7
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Very nice info on the Cali 4. I am very pleased with my Caliber 5 though as of yet its just a sitting airframe. Just trying to decide what servos and if I want to drop in a Hyper or standard 50 in it. Have a GY501 ready for it and a set of Mavs G4's. Still awaiting the release of the CP450V. I see a few peps are starting to move their EP400's. Thanks for the info. Yeah I need to order that pinion gear for my Cali 5 before I drop in a motor. Cheers..

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08-11-2007 09:28 PM  10 years agoPost 8
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i flew dwights caliber 4 today and boy does it fly nice, i like it better then the caliber 30, mine should be at my house on monday

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08-12-2007 08:01 PM  10 years agoPost 9
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The luxuries of being a shop owner. LOL

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08-12-2007 10:43 PM  10 years agoPost 10
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we were letting anyone who was there that wanted to fly it take it for a spin

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08-12-2007 11:33 PM  10 years agoPost 11
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Well so how Cali 4 compare to the rest of the 30 line up??? Evo, Rappy...

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08-12-2007 11:57 PM  10 years agoPost 12
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I want to take one for a spin....

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08-13-2007 01:52 PM  10 years agoPost 13
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it is kind of a upgraded caliber 30 frame was fixed where servos go with bracing, canopy was changed, whole head has been changed and now includes a aluminum swash

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08-13-2007 04:40 PM  10 years agoPost 14
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Thanks for the info! Any idea when they will be available to the public and what price range?
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08-13-2007 05:36 PM  10 years agoPost 15
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hey

somewhere around middle to end of sept is what its looking like

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08-13-2007 06:44 PM  10 years agoPost 16
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Nice to see that C4 coming to the US market. Does it use the same main frames as the Cal30? The canopy could retrofit to the Cal30 then?

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08-13-2007 06:49 PM  10 years agoPost 17
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Hmmm... After the EP400, I'll never buy another Kyosho. Terrible experience with the head / collective and unsatisfactory support from KUSA has left me with a bad opinion of Kyosho. I hope this isn't seen as trolling, but these Kyoshos just seem like toys to me.

PS- Anyone want to buy an EP400?

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08-13-2007 08:39 PM  10 years agoPost 18
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the frames are simular to the caliber 30 but ill let you know when mine gets here tomorrow
alittle work with the posts i think the cal4 canopy will fit the caliber 30 ill look when it gets here tomorrow

gian send me a pm and ill try to help on the issues your having or call me anytime and i will help all i can!

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08-13-2007 09:02 PM  10 years agoPost 19
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The Caliber 4 release is great news...

The Caliber 30 is/was by far the best flying .30 machine out there... Hopefully the 4 will retain the key qualities it is/was known for.

Keep us posted Chris!

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08-14-2007 03:10 AM  10 years agoPost 20
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gian...

...Don't judge the Caliber 30/4/5 based on the EP400. I built an EP400 and flew it for a year before upgrading it to the XP version, and even went a step further to stretch it to swing 325 mm MR blades. The limiting factor on the 400 was the collective system and the rotor head. The EP400 flew nicely, but the head would not allow it to show its full potential.

That being said, the EP400 collective and rotor head design share nothing in common with the Caliber 30/4/5. The larger nitro heli head and swash design is great, and when coupled with the CCPM (EMS) linkage, very tight and responsive.

If you take a look at the new Kyosho 450V electric, you'll see that the head and collective system of the EP400 is GONE, and the new 450V controls setup is a scaled down version of the Caliber 4/5 CCPM system. It looks to be a very good, small electric heli. It took Kyosho three tries to dump the cheesy head and collective system of the EP400/EP400XP, but the new 450V head and controls look very nice.

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As for support, the best Kyosho support in the country, bar none, is Chris Kirouac at RC Heliworks.

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