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08-11-2007 02:16 AM  10 years agoPost 61
eddo22

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hey gino, how are you liking that copterx btw? i saw your video on youtube...congrats on the new bird!

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08-20-2007 07:10 PM  10 years agoPost 62
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Some more info on the DX6i

Quoted from ReadyHeli Ad:

The Blade 400 3D is the first ready-to-fly mini-heli to come equipped with Spektrum’s advanced DX6i 2.4GHz DSM2™ 6-channel programmable computer aircraft system. Besides providing freedom from frequency restrictions and interference, the DX6i’s DSM2 technology offers other unique advantages like faster control response and innovative features such as ServoSync™. ServoSync automatically resequences transmitted data so mixed servos receive their pulses at the same time so you can fly extreme 3D aerobatics with absolute precision. The system also includes the feather-light, 4.4-gram Spektrum AR6100e Microlite Receiver.
Other DX6i features include:
• Full-range capability
• 10-model memory
• Heli and airplane programming
• Two types of swashplate mixing: standard or 120º CCPM
• 3-axis dual rates and exponential
• Travel adjust
• Servo monitor
• Two 5-point throttle curves
• Three 5-point pitch curves
• Revo mixing
• Gyro sensitivy programming
• Two programmable mixes

The DX6i is not only perfectly suited for the Blade 400––it can also be used to fly just about any size and type of model due to its full-range and programming capabilities.
E-flite uses top-quality engineering and materials in everything it makes, so you always get the maximum level of value and fun. And E-flite backs all of its products with the best customer service and support in the hobby so your electric flight experience is always a positive one.

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08-20-2007 07:44 PM  10 years agoPost 63
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08-20-2007 10:22 PM  10 years agoPost 64
irush

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Ok. So it is not the baby t-rex. But a T-Blade. I too would like to have seen the 300 belt driven heli. I have a brushless blade and a trex 450. I was really excited about the blade 400, but a friend mantioned that I wouldn't be getting anything that I don't already have, and from what the e-flite video shows, it looks like a blade pro and t-rex fly the same if not better.

stupid gravity......

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08-20-2007 10:46 PM  10 years agoPost 65
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from what the e-flite video shows, it looks like a blade pro and t-rex fly the same if not better.
I seriously doubt a Blade CP Pro flies the same or better than the Blade 400, at least by most people's definition of "better". The only advantage I can see to a BCPP over the Blade 400 is that it's smaller, if that's important to you, perhaps because you want to fly it inside. I do agree that a reasonably setup Trex will probably be better, so if you've already got a Trex and a nice computer radio, I don't see much reason to buy this heli.

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08-20-2007 11:10 PM  10 years agoPost 66
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I seen what irush seen in the videos - The tail hold was a bit sloppy etc - Though I wouldn't say a stock BCPP would perform as well as the B400 - I'd might however put my BL DD BCPP against it - And I'm sure any Trex would blow the doors off the B400 from what I've seen of it - Nice newb package but hard for many of us to justify buying into it given our current situations

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08-21-2007 12:49 AM  10 years agoPost 67
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Sure, I should have said: "I seriously doubt a stock Blade CP Pro flies the same or better than the Blade 400". With enough upgrades a BCPP could be better in some ways.

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08-21-2007 01:49 AM  10 years agoPost 68
L0stS0ul

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It was rather windy that day. If you look you can see the windsock and flags are blowing quite hard. A little bit of wag in that situation is normal for high gain settings. Heck my 401 will wag in high winds. I was actually extremely impressed with the gyro in the videos. Heads and tails better than the G90 and telebee variants not to mention those extremely horrible art-tech and e-sky HH gyros most likely where this gyro will be priced at. If anything they just made the g90 obsolete. I didn't see 401 performance but what I saw looked midrange and was quite impressive to me. I'm hoping to finally see a mid range gyro that actually holds quite well.

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08-21-2007 02:57 AM  10 years agoPost 69
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The 2100T is only $20 more than the G90 and holds like a GY401 - I couldn't tell from the vids if the G110 performs any better or worse than the G90 or if it was poorly adjusted/setup but I don't think anyone really expects an RTF packaged gyro to perform like a top-line gyro anyway and you're right I was comparing the performance I seen in the videos to my top-line GY401 which isn't really fair - It only makes point of who can justify buying into a B400 RTF as it's only a deal for those who have nothing yet in this hobby and want better than a BCP but/and/or can't afford a Trex etc

Many of us already own decent radios and have upgraded our BCPPs to fly decent - We don't need a new radio and there's better 400/450s to choose from and our upgraded BCPPs probably fly as well as a stock B400 too

This is the kind of justification logic irush and I were presenting - It's not a smart buy for everyone - Just "newbs" with no gear at all

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08-21-2007 03:04 AM  10 years agoPost 70
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I'm not saying this package is right for any of us currently on the forums. I'm usually in the position of recommending helis to people and people generally go running when I add up the costs for a t-rex and then tell them to come back after they have installed everything and I'll test fly it and set it up for them before they can fly it. If this package is as good as it looks I know exactly what I'll be telling these people. I have extremely high hopes for those that are just entering the hobby or moving up from a lama or the like. Skip the BCP all together.

I'm 90% sure though that we will not only see the barebones for sale shortly but I'm willing to bet that E-Flite puts out one of the PNP kits for it if there is enough demand. Problem is a lot of "us" would go right for a t-rex or dragonus or the like and poopoo this heli and that's not the market this heli is aimed at.

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08-21-2007 03:17 AM  10 years agoPost 71
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Right - I have no problem recommending it to a newb - Before it was announced I would have recommended the HBK2 - But now the B400 with DX6i package blows away any competition in the newb RTF catagory

BCX > B400 > Trex >

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08-21-2007 03:19 AM  10 years agoPost 72
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Everyone's blaming the gyro for the tail wag in the video, but the servo being used is also important. It looks like they're using S75s all around including for the tail, which I'm sure aren't as fast or accurate as a 9650 or similar tail servo, so possibly just upgrading to a better tail servo would get rid of the wag. The fact that it could hold the tail at all through stationary flips shows that it's MUCH better than the stock BCPP, even with a G90 added. I found stationary flips very difficult with my BCPP, because the tail would go all over the place. Upgrading to a DD tail motor improved matters a lot, but it still didn't hold nearly as well as the B400 in that video. My Trex with Gy401/9650 holds better still.

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08-21-2007 03:25 AM  10 years agoPost 73
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No one is trashing it for what it is - Only discussing who can justify buying it

(You really should see how my BL BCPP performs these days - I wish I had recent vid but just look at vids of Kyle Stacy and Nick Maxwell flying DD BCPPs - Mine does everything I ask just fine)

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08-21-2007 03:37 AM  10 years agoPost 74
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look at vids of Kyle Stacy and Nick Maxwell flying DD BCPPs
You mean, look at the vids of Kyle and Nick flying DD-BL-G90-DX7 BCCPs?

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08-21-2007 03:44 AM  10 years agoPost 75
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That's what I'm flying (and many others here) - You think I can justify buying a B400 RTF over a Trex at this point? Or irush who also has a BL DD BCPP and a Trex? Basically if you already have a decent radio forget about the B400 and get something better - The radio is the jewel of the deal - The heli itself doesn't look like much to me compared to other 400/450s out there - But RTF it looks like a great starter over the BCPP/HBK2 for newbs with nothing yet

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08-21-2007 03:49 AM  10 years agoPost 76
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It looks like they're using S75s all around including for the tail,
...I believe its the new DS75 digital sub micro of which I cant find any specs yet but they look very interesting for 300 size heli's

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08-21-2007 04:15 AM  10 years agoPost 77
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Hi Micro-Maniac. I'm not sure if your last post was directed at me, but I'm not actually arguing with you at all. I completely agree that the B400 doesn't seem to be aimed at people who already own good radio gear; it would be most suited to people looking to move up to their first aerobatics-capable heli.

I also own a Blade CP Pro which I still love to fly in my yard and up and down my street, which has a BL main, DD tail, and AR6100 receiver so I can use my DX7 with it. I really enjoyed the BCPP in its stock form as well, at least with a G90 gyro, until I started learning aerobatics, then I upgraded the motors and radio. Now that I have a Trex V2 I always fly that if there's room to fly it, and only fly the Blade in smaller areas where I wouldn't want to fly the Trex. But I know the Blade is capable of aerobatics, and I learned loops, rolls, pirouetting stall turns and slow backward flight on my BCPP when it was all stock except for a G90 gyro.

However in most of the Kyle Stacy and Nick Maxwell videos they have upgraded most of the electrical components and even some of the mechanical components on their helis, so it doesn't make sense to me to use the flying in those videos as evidence that a BCPP is in any way comparable to a heli like the B400, since they're basically only using the BCPP airframe.

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08-21-2007 04:20 AM  10 years agoPost 78
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I'm talking about anyone who has done a degree of upgrading to their BCPP - I have done probably more upgrading to my BCPP than Stacy or Maxwell so all that's stock on my BCPP is the airframe also and it flies just as seen in their videos but I don't burn through tail motors anymore since going BL DD

And a lot of people use DX7s and DD tails with HH gyros with great results - It's still the same heli just with different components - A B400 could be upgraded to come close to a Trex but why would I upgrade a B400 rather than just do a Trex when I already have a decent radio at least?

The reason I compared upgraded BCPPs to stock B400s is because we've already upgraded our BCPPs to the point they perform like stock B400s - That kinda mutes any point of us buying a B400 when we could get a Trex etc instead if we don't already have 'em - The B400 package is just for newbs and those who just plain want it for no other justifiable reason because if we already have a decent radio then we're better off with a Trex etc than probably even a cheap ARF B400

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08-21-2007 04:47 AM  10 years agoPost 79
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That makes sense to me; if you already own an upgraded BCPP that flies nicely enough for you, there's no reason you need a B400. I just wanted to make sure it would be clear to anyone reading this thread who might be thinking of choosing one or the other, that a stock BCPP is not going to perform nearly as well or be as easy to fly as a stock Blade 400 RTF or a normal Trex configuration.

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08-21-2007 04:58 AM  10 years agoPost 80
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I'm pretty sure I mentioned some degree of upgrade in all my comparison posts starting with this one where I dismissed a stock BCPP performing like a B400 - http://runryder.com/helicopter/p2903406/ - I thought that post said it all short and sweet but maybe it wasn't clear enough - Both irush and I have comparible BCPP setups so I know where he was coming from and share his perspective on the justifiableness of anyone in our shoes buying B400s

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