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08-07-2007 08:46 PM  10 years agoPost 41
jaxrotor

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Dont Es run higher headspeeds?

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08-07-2007 08:50 PM  10 years agoPost 42
SSN Pru

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I havent seen it on a t600n yet, but a friend of mine runs 2100 HS on his .50 hyper powered raptor.

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08-07-2007 08:54 PM  10 years agoPost 43
MJWS

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I think they just wanted to cover their bases with the higher headspeeds that are coming into fashion. I don't think you can fairly compare the power pulses and vibration in the nitro, to the electric. Centrifugal forces and RPM are only part of the equation.

In terms of raw power. It isn't a fair fight. The electrics can throw well over 6HP into this form factor. Goodrum has a 5000w (6.7HP) 600mm bird (around 8lbs) I believe as do others. The disc can barely absorb or use that much power. We aren't bogging until way after the blades are stalled.

To put that in perspective, it kicks on a DA 50. Try sticking a hyper into an 86" plank and see how it does.

OP limited it to stock and 6s where the comparison is almost reasonable.

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08-07-2007 09:13 PM  10 years agoPost 44
QueeQueg

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sure you can compare the vibration.

Look at the prop on an e plane compared to the same pitch prop for a glow plane.

The eplanes props are much more effecient and would be used by IC guys if they didn't start to shread from the vibration. They use them just because they weigh a lot less if they could.

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08-07-2007 09:37 PM  10 years agoPost 45
DS 8717

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The electric's we have at our field are turning 2200 and another guy is turning 2460 with his. The electrics are turning higher than nitro,s,2000 to 2100 seems to be the most prefered speed for the nitro's.

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08-07-2007 10:02 PM  10 years agoPost 46
tadawson

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I'd race you guys for pink slips, but what would I do with all those slimers.
Upgrade?

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08-07-2007 10:05 PM  10 years agoPost 47
tadawson

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Nitro: Cheap hooker...takes a while...less thrill
(I'm probably gonna regret this . . . . . )

More "Bang for the buck!"

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08-07-2007 10:41 PM  10 years agoPost 48
MJWS

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LOL tadawson.

Great example QueeQueg. I'd definitely run e props if they were viable on glow or gas.

Mike

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08-08-2007 01:04 AM  10 years agoPost 49
SuperSixTwo

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WATTS up?

Nitro to fumagate the bugs
E to listen to the whir of the turbine!

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08-08-2007 01:10 AM  10 years agoPost 50
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The electric's we have at our field are turning 2200 and another guy is turning 2460 with his.
I've tried 2400 but found the sweet spot at 2230.
I'd race you guys for pink slips, but what would I do with all those slimers.
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I guess I could sell the smokebombs to get some more E-Bling. LOL

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08-08-2007 11:30 AM  10 years agoPost 51
heli-cuzz

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Nitro looks and sounds better while flying. A nice smoke trail makes for a good presentation while whipping the nitro around the sky.

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08-08-2007 03:43 PM  10 years agoPost 52
Portblock

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As to the topic, It is my understanding that an electric motor will produce full torque at any rpm? If so, would it be less likely to bog the motor during collective pumping?

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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08-08-2007 04:03 PM  10 years agoPost 53
electriciancarl

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Nitro looks and sounds better while flying.
The guy down the street has a 20 year old chevy that rattles, bangs, and leaves a big black smoke trail. He thinks thats cool too.

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08-08-2007 04:19 PM  10 years agoPost 54
MasterCrash

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The question is power not endurance​originally.

""""I would have to give the edge to the apple for the first few mins, then the orange will take the lead, then the apple has to land after 5-6 mins. From 6 to 12 mins only the orange is in the air, so as long as it can hover it's got more power.""""

There is 746 watts to one horse power at 100% effeciancy when compairing electrical horse power.
There is 1.9 horsepower to the OS 52 Hyper.
Lets use round numbers 2hpx 746 = 1492 watts equivilent elct energy.
now find out your efficiancy rating, lets say aligns elect motor pulls 1600 watts and is 90% effeciant, that would be close to the same horse power. ENDURANCE is a Fuel quantity count not POWER count.
A volkswagon bug has 40 hp and can run 200 miles on a 7 gallon fill, that doesn't make it more powerfull then a Lambergini that needs a 30 gallon refill every 110 miles!!!

Power and endurance are not the same.

A NUE 2100 watt motor 6s-1p 4300mah will smoke the 50-OS nitro, I have witnessed this. The stock Align electric motor is pretty much the same accept a tad less weight to tug around making it "SEEM" a bit snappier. More available horsepower per pound.

50-OS and 1600 watt elect is pretty close in power.

E
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IxR Ohms Law

IxE= Watts [Power} One Horsepower=746 watts@100% efficiancy.

Simple Math
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08-08-2007 04:54 PM  10 years agoPost 55
RonHill

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Power will most likely go to Electric for the first 3 mins, but it will be a small gap. Then it will be even, then the Erex will land while the Nrex keeps flying.

There will be a time when Electric has more power and more endurance, but its not time yet.

The bug/Lambergini thing was cute, but not really accurate. It would more likely be a Lambo that could drive for 100 miles or a 911 that could do 200 miles. And the Lambo took three times as long to refuel and if you did it wrong it burst into flames

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08-08-2007 05:04 PM  10 years agoPost 56
DS 8717

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The nitro 600 is 1 pound heavier with fuel than the E600,but it will get lighter as the fuel is burned.$300 battery packs suck when they get trashed in a crash,thats $300 just to start the repair cost.

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08-08-2007 05:08 PM  10 years agoPost 57
Carey

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Power and endurance are not the same.
Like I said, the OP's question was a little silly in its simplicity.

Having said that, I would gather it is implicit that you would include the performance throughout the flight time of the power source in question.

Should I have answered the 600e, but with the caveat, it has roughly half the flight time if running similar performance compared to a nitro?

Life is not as simple as the OP's question, it was flawed in that the two things are not the same, (e.g. apples and oranges) one has half the flight time of the other, yet has more power.

Does ANYONE go to their LHS and say:

What has more power, a 600e or a 600n? The 600e? Cool... I heard enough, gimmie!
The bug/Lambergini thing was cute, but not really accurate.
Analogies usually fall short, like this one.

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08-08-2007 05:47 PM  10 years agoPost 58
electriciancarl

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$300 battery packs suck when they get trashed in a crash,thats $300 just to start the repair cost.
My batts cost $266.00 and I get 50% off crash damage. That's $133.00 not $300.00 to start repair. Let's keep it real.

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08-08-2007 05:54 PM  10 years agoPost 59
DS 8717

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you talk cheap when you fix,but you buy the high dollar motors and batteries. The ones i have seen were in the $250 to $330 range.when you talk power,you talk high dollar stuff.i guess when you crash you are using the cheap sh!t.Get real.

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08-08-2007 06:32 PM  10 years agoPost 60
tadawson

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The other thing that comes to mind, is that to truly make a realistic weight comparison, the nitro should either be de-fueled (and the tanks, etc) reduced to the flight times of the electric, or the electric fitted with a battery to equal the flight times of the nitro. Only then will a weight comparison mean anything . . . . stored energy (in either form) == weight, no doubt about it, and things must be equal to make a meaningful comparison. (It just sucks that batteries don't get lighter as they deplete . . . ).

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