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08-06-2007 06:00 AM  10 years agoPost 1
Vitya

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How hard would it be to do this? I was thinking of doing it for a year as a working vacation, or work abroad if you will, but heck if I like it I might stay, not much for me here. I imagine France would be more difficult as I'd need to know French fluently, which I only have the basics of, but could I find a job speaking english? The UK is probably more so realistic as it wouldn't be a problem, the language and all...

If it gets to it, and I doubt it, how hard is it to become a citizen in either country?

I know this is a weird post but reply respectfully, please.

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08-06-2007 07:15 AM  10 years agoPost 2
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I can only speak for France as I experienced it, but you do not need to speak fluent french even if it would certainly be a benefit for you. Basic knowledge of french politeness (yes they do have that) is a prerequisite, but the rest you can pick up. It's certainly better for you if you want to learn, they are eager to teach.

Depending on what line of business you are in, yes you can find jobs where you can speak english. I think maybe IT or engineering would be the easiest (or tourist industry), however I think you should find it before leaving for France. Not sure how keen they are employing foreigners off the street.

As for citizenship, well even if almost everybody here thinks they are skinny, impolite and have hair in their armpits, the french mademoiselles can be very attractive
(and I asked when staying there if there were things to consider when approching them and they said, no you are a foreigner, they don't expect you to act french )

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08-06-2007 09:21 AM  10 years agoPost 3
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In UK, you'll have no problems,PROVIDED :-
1---- you don't speak English
2---- you prefer a same-sex partner
3---- you have a physical disability
4---- you have a factory "tan"
5 ----you have a load of relatives back home,who'd like to join you
6---- you prefer non-Western clothing
7-----you practice a non-Christian religion
8.....you are wanted for "interview" by local police
9---- you have absoloutely NO I.D. when you arrive.
10--- you can claim to be an asylum seeker.
11--- you have NO skills
12--- you have NO intention of intigrating with indiginous population,culture or custom

hardworking, law abiding caucasians who respect the historic culture of this country should be aware that our PC rulers do not want you here.
From what I've heard of France, their basic philosophy runs along the lines of"when in Rome....." If you want to be accepted ,adopt the French way....otherwise F...OFF....This is FRANCE,not an international jamboree.

That sounds good to me! the beaurocrats are employed BY and FOR the people...If the people Don't like the new laws/rules, there's civil unrest..it's not unknown for officialdom to be dragged out of their offices and have the error of their ways "explained" in deaf and dumb language

sounds good to me!

SO...I got me a passport and i'm off to see for myself,next week

This country's going down the tube....overcrowded,infrastructure collapsing,huge burden of Gov't employees(and their pensions) to carry,
corrupt politicians.......We're all dooomed,I tell you!

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08-06-2007 09:53 AM  10 years agoPost 4
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bago you forgot the wettest f*****g summer ever.

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08-06-2007 12:15 PM  10 years agoPost 5
leady

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to get into the uk jus say u fear for u life, and BAM, u in the country

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08-06-2007 03:05 PM  10 years agoPost 6
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@bagobitz

LMFAO
You're killing me man! What you just described sounds too much like the USA to me. Somewhere in the next post or two someone is bound to admonish you for your statement. Folks who have never lived nextdoor to immigrants don't understand.
JEFF

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08-06-2007 03:45 PM  10 years agoPost 7
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FUZZ...it's just the truth! This poxy little island is crammed full of people...half the old eastern bloc countries are free to walk in,as they're now EEC members...the indigenous populace has been well and truly shafted!
What other country would tolerate a hook-handed ,one -eyed Muslim extremist cleric,preaching hate and vitriol against the west, whilst living IN OUR BLOODY COUNTRY...AND getting around £400 (that's $800 to you! ) A WEEK in Gov't benefits.

YUP! the friggin loonies ARE running this asylum!!!!
I Don't live in or too near an immigrant ghetto, but go to the local Asda(Walmart),6 miles away, about 11 pm and 95% of the customers will be speaking a foreign language. about 30% will be asians with a subservient black tent trundling along 2 or 3 paces behind.

WTF...this is supposed to be BRITAIN, the land of equality and freedom.

GRRRRRRRRRR.....feel a bit better now I've vented.
one of the indigenous ,discriminated against underdogs in "diverse, culturally rich" britain

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08-06-2007 03:49 PM  10 years agoPost 8
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OK, they locked up hook -hand after about a year of public outcry.....but now they're wasting more money ,monitoring him brainwashing other inmates
they should have booted him back where he came from.....perhaps they would have chopped off a few more bits and pelted him with a few rocks give him a first-hand sample of "tolerance"

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08-06-2007 03:56 PM  10 years agoPost 9
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Tintin, thanks for the reply, some good info I do know about the French girls first hand, and I have to say, I LIKE! Thats actually a big part of the motivation

I gotta say, sounds like I should head for France and forget about the UK from what you guys are saying

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08-06-2007 08:39 PM  10 years agoPost 10
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Seriously, why the hell do French girls have to be so damn sexy...

Man... I am so French obsessed right now that its sickening.

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08-06-2007 09:28 PM  10 years agoPost 11
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Seriously, why the hell do French girls have to be so damn sexy...
Big pants and underarm hair. Lurvely.

Stu

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08-06-2007 09:54 PM  10 years agoPost 12
Arthur

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bago, how dare you infringe the human rights of all those lovely people you listed. Also you forgot Irish gipsies, just about the lowest of the low.

Just remembered in Naked Gun 2, Leslie Nielsen said one of his aims if elected was to promise that it would be possible to get served in a 7/11 without an interpreter.

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08-07-2007 02:26 AM  10 years agoPost 13
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This poxy little island is crammed full of people
Been leaving since 1700's for the same reason.

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08-07-2007 03:36 AM  10 years agoPost 14
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Vitya,

About the language barrier:
I don't speak a single word of French, other than "bonjour"
In all honesty, I had a much more difficult time in Quebec than I did in France. I found VERY FEW English speaking citizens in Quebec, especially in Montreal.

Many of the Western European countries mandate English classes in their schools. You'd be surprised how many people over there speak fairly decent English. I sure was.

In France, the people you meet that DON'T speak English, are typically the older citizens. And then there is a large number of people over there that speak totally decent English, and choose not to for various reasons, simply to avoid talking with you.

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08-07-2007 06:44 AM  10 years agoPost 15
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DJB78, thanks for the info, I kinda had an idea that it might be like that considering that English is becoming the planet wide language to know. What do you mean however by the statement about the people who avoid talking to you? They don't like tourists?

PS: If I were to move to another country, i'd go there as a guest and adopt the ways off the people there, for example; if I want to live in France I WILL eventually learn French and use it, I wouldn't go there and try to get everyone speaking English (which they all do since you have to learn two languages in school). Is that what the trouble in the UK is? Every minority fighting for rights? Fcuk.That. English wasn't always my first language, but I learned it.

Also, from what I've seen the French girls keep trimmed

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08-07-2007 07:07 AM  10 years agoPost 16
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English is becoming the planet wide language to know.
Not in America it isnt. It seems even some foreigners, who I have a suspect speak English just fine, refuse to speak the language, maybe just for the simple reason to avoid talking to you.
What do you mean however by the statement about the people who avoid talking to you? They don't like tourists?
For the most part, yes. I would have to say that France is probably the most Tourist Unfriendly country in the world.
If he/she is 40 years old or younger, I'm willing to bet money that the at least comprehend English. Hey, but thats their choice. It is entirely their right to be dickheads if they want to be.

A funny story, this is for the most part, unrelated. I was driving across the country (Maine to Wisconsin)
I stopped along the way to visit Niagara Falls. For those who have never been to Niagara Falls (the city), if you don't have New York tags on your car, quite honestly, a lot of the people there DONT WANT YOU THERE. I had Wisconsin tags on my car, and never have I felt so uncomfortable in my entire life!
I have confirmed this fact with a few friends of mine from the upstate NY area, specifically Buffalo and Niagara Falls. They will agree, this is all too, sadly, true.

A woman literally tried to run my car off the road.

Ironically, as she FINALLY passed me, she had one of those "Support Our Troups" Magnets on the back of her "soccer mom" minivan. If only she had known who I was, or what I did for a living, or maybe even seen the DoD decal on my windshield... (Yes, I was active duty military at the time) If only I had a bat!!

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08-07-2007 07:39 AM  10 years agoPost 17
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I think it's funny you guys are thinking about moving to different countries without knowing the language and half you guys whine about illegal aliens not knowing english in our own country. Do I hear double standard?

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08-07-2007 07:42 AM  10 years agoPost 18
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For the most part, yes. I would have to say that France is probably the most Tourist Unfriendly country in the world
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I bet you don't know many french phrases do you? Any knowledge about what the french consider polite?

I could not disagree more with you on this point when it comes to France and I can say the same about almost any country I visit when I don't know diddly of their language.

The french, or at least the parisians, can be very unfriendly or at least not very welcoming when you open the conversation with "Hi", "Hello" or even "Good morning".

If you try a little "Bonjour Madame" etc, add a "s'il vous plait" when you order and stuff like that, I'm quite sure you will be able to change your opinion. They love tourists that take interest in their country, food and culture. They dislike loudmouths that cannot even greet them in their own language.
If you have a go with your cr.ppy french, they will reply in cr.ppy english, as it's said, only the really old french cannot speak english, the rest do, but they don't bother using it if you don't invite them (=open in french).
To them you are impolite when you greet them in english, why should they reply with anything but impoliteness?

I've been to France twice this year and for me it has been to very nice vacations, but then I speak a little french and I treat them like they want to be treated.

They certainly want tourists, but tourists that actually have an interest in their country, not the ones that would go for a Big Mac when in Paris

Just so it's said. France do have a lot of immigrants like the UK, or any other ex-colonial state I guess

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08-07-2007 11:49 AM  10 years agoPost 19
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i Have 2 friends with properties in France....As Tintin stated, if you're a guest,adapt to the host and extend the courtesy...it will be reciprocated.
One friend's 2 teenage boys are not learning any French over there,because their French friends want to practice their English -Language skills. BUT- the starting-point was their willingness to open a conversation in the host country's language.
Re-"not wanting to talk to you".....From that, I assume they're trying to reinforce"You're in FRANCE,now..do as we do,..or leave"
Another guy had great difficulty talking to the local Mairie (sort of town mayor,very influential and powerful,has a big input on property conversions and renovations,opening businesses,etc.).....Anyway,at the conclusion of his property-purchase,he thanked the Mairie for his help,whereupon, the Mairie ,in flawless English,said "it was a pleasure sir"...the startled man who'd struggled to make himself understood,said"youspeak english?"...."but of course, M'sieur"...."I spent all that time, why didn't you tell me?"...with a grin , the Marie says "you didn't ask! "...the guy is accepted and now speaks good French.

France has roughly the same population as the UK BUT is about twice as big...therefore not as crowded as this septic isle...erm...I think that "sceptered" at some point
Here, I've no problem with immigrants who integrate,attempt the language,westernise their dress and customs...this ISN'T Baghdad, Cairo or Calcutta and I don't expect them to try making it so.

@ Nick jones...I hope we'd enter legally and then adopt the "when in Rome " strategy. ILLEGAL says it all...pillage your country and customs with zero respect.

I bet there wouldn't be so much unrest in "Mexifornia",if they'd kept a low profile and integrated!...a crappy accent is perfectly acceptable....it says"I've joined you, I want to be PART OF this country and it's civilisation".
Refusing to,says "My way is what you will do" confrontational!

@ MPA...Well, someone had to discover the rest of the world and "civilise" the local Savages Guess that was when we were "something " in the World

@ Arthur..Diddecoys don't speak proper English ,nor do they bring skills (points already covered!) - Thieving is NOT a recognised skill (Though rolling tarmac to the depth of a discarded matchstick,then charging for "a good thick coating", probably is!

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08-07-2007 02:19 PM  10 years agoPost 20
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You want to know how bad this country is? READ THIS

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...NEWS&ICL=TOPART

Im sorry but hearing this just made me sick and peed off more with this country,

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