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08-09-2007 02:27 AM  10 years agoPost 61
heli-cuzz

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Who cares what and how many helicopter companies are advertised in the mag, as long as they pay and the readers are satisfied.

Just shut up and fly will ya!

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08-09-2007 02:40 AM  10 years agoPost 62
RCHeliJim

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Just one word Mike, Align. I bet you didn't see that coming.
Align products are written about often because the readers want to read about them, they are in demand. The customer base decides where the market goes, not the magazine. It would be foolish of any magazine to ignore what the majority of its readers want to read about, wouldnt you agree?

There is no hidden money game like you insinuate often - Align is just one of the many advertisers in the mag, nothing more, nothing less. As a team mikado guy you seem to be very helpful with Logo questions and issues, kudos for that - but why the constant negativity towards this specific magazine? None of us have any idea what the cause or reason is behind your continual criticism without details - but hey its there and we take the good that we can find in it and apply it to the mag, so thanks for the help in making the magazine better

Like Mike has said before, none of this is taken personally by anyone with the mag, in fact I get a good chuckle out of the consipracy theories you and others give regarding the magazine. They remind me of the 9/11 conspiracy theories often posted on RunRyder Always good for a jovial moment.

I have to go now, my Align payoff rep is at the door with my bag of cash He must be paying off a bunch of the local guys too because Trex 600 Nitros are multiplying at our field - but it couldnt possibly be because they are great helis
Sorry, my original reply was not very supportive. I'm trying to be a nicer person.

By the way, I am just messing with ya - I think you are a good guy. Keep up the good rep work for Team Mikado, the Logo line of helis is awesome and I hope to have another sometime soon!!
Just shut up and fly will ya!
Yes sir, best advice in this whole thread. I will stop trolling now capitan and let it die off, my Mini Titan is charged and the sun is still up



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08-09-2007 07:25 AM  10 years agoPost 63
bstock

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Wow - DeJaVu

seems like we were just here... not so long ago :-D

Mike - love your consistancy of message... and the common sense that comes with it. RcheliJim - you too... and I truly like your style!!

Guys - the mag is so much more than reviews.

Sure... if you happen to have some, or even lots of experiance... you may quickly read through or even skip past some articles... but there seems to be something for everyone in each issue.

On top of that... having visuals is Great... especially on flying techniques, build tips, and even questions and answers from their forum.

Learning about new and upcoming products, setup tips, flying techniques, maintance, all types of heli and aux equipment, power systems, and even fun flys (Mike - did I miss anything? *grin*)... it is all in there - and that is what makes it so much more than just heli reviews.

I love learning more about this addictive hobby... and the mag provides that in spades.

I only wish I was the guy behind the person throwing it in the trash can... then I could save a little more money for the Helis. lol

Brent

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08-09-2007 08:17 AM  10 years agoPost 64
RonHill

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Wow - DeJaVu

seems like we were just here... not so long ago :-D
Where there is smoke there is fire...especially when dealing with lipos.

Now, some are going to claim I am just a hater...Fine, whatever. But I fail to see how any piece of equipment can get an above average review on a section that has so many problems.

1. Dampers wearing out in a few flights.
2. Fans that come warped.
3. One ways that lock up.
4. Canopy nuts that don't seem to like nitro....on a nitro bird.
5. Clutch gap leading to clutch failures

For all of these reasons, two of which were mentioned in the article IIRC (1 & 3). I find it very hard to believe that it should have been rated "Above Average" in Post Flight. And a 3.5 on a 5 scale is above average.

Mike V

How about you write an article about the one way issue? Since the Trex Nitro is so popular, and the one way seems to be a big issue....It would make sense that pointing out the problem and offering solutions would be a win/win for you.

And with Align pretending it is not an issue, it would show a true non-biased approach. So it would be win/win/win for you.

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08-09-2007 10:46 AM  10 years agoPost 65
heli-cuzz

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So it would be win/win/win for you.
What makes you think he's losing. His mag is better than yours, unless you have his, then you're a winner.

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08-09-2007 04:20 PM  10 years agoPost 66
RonHill

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What makes you think he's losing. His mag is better than yours, unless you have his, then you're a winner.
A sector of his target audience sees his magazine as biased. I call that losing, unless you think being considered having a bias is a good thing.

He would win again by having another article on the popular Trex.

I don't see how you can't see that, unless you are just looking for an argument.

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08-09-2007 05:00 PM  10 years agoPost 67
4eye

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"A sector of his target audience sees his magazine is biased. I call that losing"

What product doesn't have at least SOME dissent from users?? Can't please everyone.

The fact that this mag sells a lot of units doesn't make it a winner instead of a "loser"?

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08-09-2007 05:02 PM  10 years agoPost 68
RonHill

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The fact that this mag sells a lot of units doesn't make it a winner instead of a "loser"?
Wouldn't not having people think you are biased and selling more be considered winning?

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08-09-2007 05:07 PM  10 years agoPost 69
MJWS

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A sector of his audience has a conspiracy theory about everything.

There is no such thing as 'NO BIAS'. Everyone with experience and expertise in the field will have their preferences. All we can expect is that the reviewers are professional and ethical in their reviews. Most of the serious and more respected modellers I know have a strong sense of integrity. A little article for a couple bucks isn't even close to what it would take to compromise them.

I'm not saying the reviews are perfect. Collectively we could probably find a point or two to argue about every single review depending on our experiences with the product.

Mike

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08-09-2007 05:14 PM  10 years agoPost 70
mmc205

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I'd like to say i enjoy the RC heli magazine. The adds and product reviews are pretty cool, but i really like the in depth explanations of stuff like autorotation mechanics, blade lift, gyro setup and workings, etc... These technical articles seem to be what a lot of other mags are missing(especially the AMA mag, which seems mostly to be the long winded ramblings of older plank guys. I'm glad they have got some fresh talent like billy hell and the new heli section editor)

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08-09-2007 07:13 PM  10 years agoPost 71
4eye

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"Wouldn't not having people think you are biased and selling more be considered winning?"

The point that I was making though was that you can't please everyone. I don't think, and apparently a lot of other people also, that this mag is a "loser".

A lot, and I do mean A-FREAKIN'-LOT, of people think that MS Windows suck. Is that a loser also?

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08-09-2007 07:59 PM  10 years agoPost 72
Motions

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A lot, and I do mean A-FREAKIN'-LOT, of people think that MS Windows suck. Is that a loser also?
Now you really opened a can of worms.
That's an excellent example. It shows you don't have to be the best to be on top.

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08-09-2007 08:24 PM  10 years agoPost 73
mmc205

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Yeah, you just have to have the best publicity.

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08-09-2007 11:31 PM  10 years agoPost 74
RonHill

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The point that I was making though was that you can't please everyone. I don't think, and apparently a lot of other people also, that this mag is a "loser".
If you want to get picky, I never called the magazine a "loser". The "losing comment" was in response to an agressive person trying to bait me with the "His mag is better than yours" BS line.

I said that an honest article about the one way issue would be "win/win". Which means the mag could write another Trex article that would answer some questions...AND it would put some pressure on Align to admit a proplem thus making any thoughts of hiding a problem for advertising dollars a moot point (or as Joey on friends said, "A Moo point....Ya know like a cows opinion, just 'Moo'".

Win/Win is also called mutual benefit. It is one of Covey's 7 habits.
http://www.profitadvisors.com/win-win.shtml
A lot, and I do mean A-FREAKIN'-LOT, of people think that MS Windows suck. Is that a loser also?
More think it does not suck than think it does...Windoze is pretty good for most people who don't know computers at all. And even people who DO like Windows will admit that there are problems and those that hate it will admit that most other programs have shortfalls as well. It seems no one will even admit that RC-Heli could be showing a bias.

Riddle me this....How can a helicopter with large issues like some bad fans, locking one ways, dampers that wear out in a few gallons, clutch liner issues...ect be given an ABOVE AVERAGE on post flight? (3.5 on a 5 scale is above average).

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08-09-2007 11:43 PM  10 years agoPost 75
MJWS

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LOL. Ron just take your copy, and a sharpie and give it a 2. Ain't no big thing.

Mike

P.S. A lot of us are running stock for many gallons now on the 600N. I'd say it's easily a 3.5 or better. Same dampeners no slop. Same one way, Stock fan. Stock clutch.

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08-10-2007 12:11 AM  10 years agoPost 76
jonthefisherman

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P.S. A lot of us are running stock for many gallons now on the 600N. I'd say it's easily a 3.5 or better. Same dampeners no slop. Same one way, Stock fan. Stock clutch.
This thread is up to about 32 members with failures and align doesnt seem like they will cover the expense.

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This helicopter must be so awesome given some part failures it still sells big and gets a 5 got 5 on reliability.

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08-10-2007 01:42 AM  10 years agoPost 77
heli-cuzz

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A sector of his target audience sees his magazine as biased. I call that losing, unless you think being considered having a bias is a good thing.

He would win again by having another article on the popular Trex.

I don't see how you can't see that, unless you are just looking for an argument.
I don't care who sees the magazine as biased, or whatever.
It's a RC helicopter magazine and like many other magazines. Its something enjoyable to read.

You know, you're probably right about the mag winning again with another article on the popular Trex.

Argument, there's nothing to argue about. Simple solution, If you don't like the magazine, don't buy it.

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08-10-2007 02:29 AM  10 years agoPost 78
jeph

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I'll say this. I'd like to see the "SHOOTOUT"...I think everyone here wants to see it and I think it would be a little closer than the original reviews. I think R/C Heli is a great magazine. I have been a subscriber for a while and will be a subscriber for a long time to come. I enjoy the articles and I've learned alot of useful information.

I would like to also say that it is hard to please everyone. However its easy to wave the white flag and just give in to the larger companies and bias your reviews to make them happy by producing a review that is not true but gives their products the representation that they are better. I don't think that has happened in this issue under debate. However these reviews were put out at the same time and the staff being professional pilots should have known this. The editors in this case should have known the severity of these reviews and taken into context two of the most popular 50 class 3Dhelicopters were being reviewed in this issue. I know it would have been easy to issue the same gear to each pilot for each review. It is in my opinion that better care for these issues should have been taken next time. Everyone that has been into 3D flying and helis knows that these two helicopters are being compared alot. We also know that align sells 10 to 1 (I did absolutely no research on that but read on a previous post ;) ) helicopters verses Compass. I will probably not base my purchase of my next helicopter on these reviews, and to me thats a shame. Because it is this reason for which I purchase the magazine.

I love the magazine.

Jeff

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08-10-2007 04:27 AM  10 years agoPost 79
RonHill

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I don't care who sees the magazine as biased, or whatever.
It is often unwise to not at least listen to the critics and consider their view points when they are your customers, or potential customers. You don't have to take their word as gospel, but at least look to see if there is something to it.

It also seems you do care since you keep claiming you don't

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08-10-2007 05:52 AM  10 years agoPost 80
MikeV

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Greetings from Muncie. About to get some sleep after a long day. A lot to talk about on here. I'll do my best to respond to more than a few things by tomorrow evening.

Good night, thanks again for all the constructive input.

MikeV

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