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08-08-2007 06:16 AM  10 years agoPost 61
caseyjholmes

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My (used) plastic mount is still good. Let me know if you need it

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08-08-2007 06:17 AM  10 years agoPost 62
willie evans

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over one year old.

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08-08-2007 06:21 AM  10 years agoPost 63
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Your complaints have all been seen and heard. The mount is coming. It takes time for any company to produce on the fly.

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08-08-2007 06:24 AM  10 years agoPost 64
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08-08-2007 07:18 AM  10 years agoPost 65
Holger Port

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@Thomashome:
Logo 500 3D with 21t pinion
Zpower Z30a 1100
TP 3850 6S LiPo
Jeti 77 opto heli ESC
Western Robotics 5a BEC
CSM 720/JR8900
Futaba 9255's
NHP 500 Blades
As I said earlier in this thread. Mikado posted an info on the website (german version):

"If you use the Z-Power motor in your Logo 500, you must use the 0.7 modul gear."

This is because there is a little play in the shaft of Z-Power motors when it's under load that can strip the main gear.

Holger

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08-08-2007 07:40 AM  10 years agoPost 66
Thomashome

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But the .7 gears and pinions are not available here yet

This is turning in to slagging match which is not helpful. I should be able to take my kit out of the box, build it then fly it without mods or upgrades and I can't. I have the entire Trex range and all these flew out of the box and not one, including the nitro have had to be upgraded.

But saying that this model does look promising and Mikado have responded to my email so with any luck they will help me solve this problem.

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08-08-2007 08:09 AM  10 years agoPost 67
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Just observing these post (on the outside looking in), is this not going to be the same motor mount for the 600 3D? Someone mentioned in a earlier post that this mount was only for power up to 6S according to the box (500 3D) suggesting that guys power setups are too powerful for the mounts??? Then suggesting getting the metal motor mounts for more powerful setups??? would that mean the people getting the 600 3D are already in trouble since this motor mount is the same for both the 500 and 600??? I would have to agree with Wille Evans if a company like align can produce a kit with a metal motor mount already included in the kit (not a optional part), why is Mikado (One of the pioneers of electric flight) putting in plastic mounts in the first place when a metal motor mount would aid in strength and cooling???? If your going to be the best U put out the best from the start, No? Please, Don't mention cost, The kit is not cheap from the start, so put the metal motor mounts in and charge a few more bucks. But I keep getting reminded this business does not make money selling kits but parts, so we will just have to pay that extra whatever amount for the metal motor mount after purchasing these already pricey kits. Hey don't get me wrong, Mikado is not the only company doing this, everyone in the industry does it, right?
The 500 3D is my first Mikado purchase. I purchased this kit because of all the positive things I have heard and German engineering is some of the best in the world (just my opinion guys). Like I said earlier, Mikado is one of the pioneers when it comes to electric helis so I figured I'd jump on the band wagon with the 500 3D but so far I can't get 21-22 tooth pinions for my setup and there is a debate going on about the stock motor mount being up to par.
so what I gather so far is the people having problems with the stripping is due to overtightening the motor to the motor plate/inadequate washers in the kit vs power systems being too powerful for the motor mount vs it should have been a metal motor mount in the kit from the begining vs inadequate build technnique (the one everyone uses when trying to defend a heli company they represent/love). And here I thought I was getting the best of the best but I can't even get pinions and when I do get them I need to purchase the metal motor mount or make sure I'm very precise when assembling the drivetrain. Good thing I have a T rex 600 with the included metal motor mount (who gives a damn about $135.00 frame replacement when the point is from an engineering standpoint they had enough sense to make the motor mount out of metal and include it in the kit) to fly around while I wait for pinions and a metal motor mount.

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08-08-2007 08:09 AM  10 years agoPost 68
MrMel

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With a motor that has play in it?
Dont matter what heli you put that in, with insufficent gear size its a gooner. Metal or plastic motor mounts probably wont differ, perhaps in the beginning, but as things wear down it will happen sooner or later.

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08-08-2007 09:04 AM  10 years agoPost 69
Thomashome

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I've just been having a look at my wreckage of a 500 3D, there may be an issue with the Z30a but in this case the motor had moved and had nothing to do with play in the motor shaft.

Please stop telling people not to over tighten their motor bolts - it seems if you do tighten them too much you buckle the mount and the motor moves but not enough then the motor will be too loose and slip, so you're in a no win situation - and I shouldn't have to buy big washers and modify them just so it doesn't break, it should come with everything in the box - we're going back to Trex XL motor mounts here, surely Mikado are ahead of where Align were 18 months ago

How many electric helis these days do you see with a plastic motor mount? and this one is has '3D' after it's name. This is my first Mikado model but I do know that one of the must have upgrades on the Logo 10 was a metal motor mount so this is not a new problem.

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08-08-2007 11:11 AM  10 years agoPost 70
MrMel

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This is my first Mikado model but I do know that one of the must have upgrades on the Logo 10 was a metal motor mount so this is not a new problem.
Here is the thing, The old Logo 10 motor mount, yes, but the new plastic with injected fiber that Logo 500 uses are WAY stronger.
Im using a plastic (new injected version) motor mount in my 10s Logo 14 with absolutly no issues, and that one have ALOT bigger motor then the Z30.
Plus, as stated before, Ive crashed my L14 so hard that motor + mount was outside the heli without motor moving or mount damaged.

Perhaps its a flaw in the 500 motor mount, or just was the bolt just not tight enough (with the injected plastic you can tighten pretty hard without making impressions in the plastic).
Are you sure the motor didnt move in the crash rather then being the cause of it.. Never know what happens in a high G crash.

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08-08-2007 12:18 PM  10 years agoPost 71
chadtyro

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is this not going to be the same motor mount for the 600 3D? Someone mentioned in a earlier post that this mount was only for power up to 6S according to the box (500 3D)
I made this point earlier with no response. The 600 with have higher loads due to overall weight, longer blades, beefier motors, and "up to 10S" as per the "box".
Your complaints have all been seen and heard. The mount is coming. It takes time for any company to produce on the fly
So, future kits will come with a metal motor mount or some other fix? And those who've already purchased will be sent this correction?
Perhaps its a flaw in the 500 motor mount, or just was the bolt just not tight enough (with the injected plastic you can tighten pretty hard without making impressions in the plastic).
Too tight, now not tight enough? Are there torque settings in the instructions?

Chad

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08-08-2007 01:03 PM  10 years agoPost 72
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The metal motor mounts will not be included in the kit. This is not a "correction" or design flaw, just an upgrade if you feel you need it.

I crashed mine using the plastic mount and it broke the motor shaft clean off at the bearing and the motor was still secure and didn't budge on the mount.

Now, with that being said, obviously people are going to install the motor a little different (screws, washers, motor types, torque values). There's many people that have had no problems, but there are a few that seem to be having trouble.

I feel that if a beginner can't build it and mount the motor to prevent gears from stripping, then there is a problem somewhere. Whether it's instructions, torque values, etc. anyone should be able to build this kit by the manual and be fully functional. If 98% of the kits out now have no problem, I don't see how it's a design flaw. Are your concerns falling on deaf ears? Certainly not. If there's an issue of any kind, we need to hear about it even if the only thing we can do is help people properly install their motors.

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08-08-2007 04:28 PM  10 years agoPost 73
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everyone references metal motor mounts with "other brand" helicopters. These are soft poured metals and aren't even really that strong to begin with. If you over tighten them, the metal pinches the motor screw and makes it hard to remove. (trex 600 mount, hint hint)

For those who complain or are afraid and have not even flown their model yet, don't let the people who didn't get it right distract you from flying and building your heli. Each person who has complained of a problem also admited to over tightening the screws! DON'T DO SO and you will be fine!

What more is there to say? How long are you going to go on repeating yourselves? The new parts will be out soon and will not be some cheap pot metal warpable part "like other brands". Untill then, go easy on your plastic mounts! I've seen cheap pot metal mounts pinch motor bolts from being overtightened too.

I honestly did not have a problem with the plastic stock motor mount. It was used for a video and many other flights before it. Nobody has paid me to say this, It is the truth.

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08-08-2007 04:28 PM  10 years agoPost 74
pcskyhi

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If 98% of the kits out now have no problem, I don't see how it's a design flaw[quote]

I don't think everyone who has one is flying due to the lack of pinions (in the U.S.). I called the U.S. distributor yesterday and they told me they are looking @ approximately 2 weeks for the next shipment comes in. For those looking for pinions, I found the 21-22 tooth pinions at eRCMarket last night. they emailed me and said they had all the pinions in stock. I had to go outside the U.S. for the pinions which in turn means I have to pay more for shipping. I can see now my first Mikado is going to drain my pockets. I'm sure when the metal motor mount is released they will be hard to come by also here in the U.S. unless your one of the guys on the team Nevertheless, I'm going to wait until I see a solution from Mikado about this or get the metal motor mount (whichever comes first) before I crack open my kit which I have already had for a few weeks. Until then I'll just keep flying my sub-standard T rex 600 and my Hirobo Lepton. And think, I sold my Swift so I could purchase this.

pcskyhi - live and learn

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08-08-2007 04:33 PM  10 years agoPost 75
caseyjholmes

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I'm going to wait until I see a solution from Mikado about this
Just like you can't over tighten the tail screws in the lepton, don't overtighten your mount screws on the logo, and you will be fine. You won't even try now due to negative input from a few people who admitedley over tightened the screws.
I had to order my pinions after I recieved the kit, just like everyone else

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08-08-2007 04:41 PM  10 years agoPost 76
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I don't care how good the Mikado mount will be it's way overpriced.

CustomHeliParts sold the Logo 10 and 14 mount for $35 from the beginning not like Mikado that charged us $55 and then lowered the price to $40 when a quality mount was available for less.

So there's no mold excuse simply demand that's it.Personally If I get into troubles with the plastic I'll get a metal if not I'll wait for an aftermarket that I'm sure will be maybe even better and way cheaper.

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08-08-2007 04:45 PM  10 years agoPost 77
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The price on the mount has not even been set yet. I have heard that it MIGHT be sold for less than anticipated

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08-08-2007 04:48 PM  10 years agoPost 78
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I hope so cuz esprit has it listed (not in stock ) for $64.

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08-08-2007 05:02 PM  10 years agoPost 79
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Esprit's price is just an estimate. The price list for the mount isn't even out yet. CHP makes some good parts and non-OEM vendors are usually always cheaper than the OEM manufacturer. They have to be to compete. No one should leave their kit in a box because of a couple "fear factor" people. Listen to all the people that have been flying this model for months with no problems.

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08-08-2007 05:03 PM  10 years agoPost 80
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It seems the "Team Mikado" lot are doing their bit by saying that everyone who has had a problem did so because the built the model wrong and the mount is fine, of course you are going to tell everyone the mount is fine.

How many sponsored pilots from any manufacturer put their hands up and admit there is a problem, this behavior really annoyed me when the Knight 50 sport had a blade grip issue, it was kept very hush hush, this does not help joe public who has to pay for the spares himself - and how long would they be sponsored if they did?

The Logo 14 has a .7 gear so not really relevant in this discussion.

I am now totally confused, do I have bolts tight? if so would the bloke who stared this post like to tell me why he gave duff info which resulted in my heli going it - or do I have them loose, do I wait for the .7 gear or wait for a new motor mount to be released - or do I just bung it on eBay and get another Trex 600 - cos what ever happens I have over £1000 invested in a model I can't fly because the parts I need I cant get

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