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08-10-2007 03:28 AM  10 years agoPost 521
Sealerman

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Put the entire congress and senate walking this year,. and change will take place. Put someone in office that you might be able to trust. They don't work out, put em out next time.
Wrong, the system is corrupt as long as they have to raise money to get thier message out they will be slaves to the sources of that money.

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08-10-2007 12:46 PM  10 years agoPost 522
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jimco, you are from texas...
Put someone in office that you might be able to trust. They don't work out, put em out next time.
Did you vote bush for the second term? Just curious because everyone I know from texas did vote for him the 2nd time...

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08-10-2007 01:56 PM  10 years agoPost 523
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Wrong, the system is corrupt as long as they have to raise money to get thier message out they will be slaves to the sources of that money.
I.... I.... Agree with Sealerman?????

A better system?
Make it illegal to contribute to individual campaigns. All donations must go to the party. Then the party must divide the money equally to their front runners in the primarys and use whats left for their presidential campaigns. Make it a jailable offense for politicians to accept private donations. Force all congressional candidates to fully disclose their finances. If we are going to trust them, we should know where their money comes from.
After enforcing jail sentences for a while and the public prying into their private finances, the greedy politicians would go find another line of work...

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08-10-2007 01:58 PM  10 years agoPost 524
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After enforcing jail sentences for a while and the public prying into their private finances, the greedy politicians would go find another line of work...
doubtful, people in power dont give up that easily! they'll merely find ways to circumvent the sytems they've created just as they've done now and in the past!

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08-10-2007 02:38 PM  10 years agoPost 525
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A better system?
Public financing of elections, these SOB's sell us out for pennies on the $ to their wealthy donors. Believe me it would be a lot cheap to work out a plan of tax payer funded elections. At least it might make them beholding to We the People.

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08-10-2007 03:34 PM  10 years agoPost 526
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How about just implement real campaign finance reform, make them account for every dollar they receive and publish every name that gives even on red cent. Not this McCain-Feingold crap that allows donors to hide behind PACs and "non_profit" groups. I garauntee you if they had to account to we the people on who they were taking money from they may be less inclined to take it. And I dont like the idea of tax payer funded election campaigns, the goct spends enough of my money already. I dont want some yahoo with all that cash at the ready and hell bent on getting elected to an office he could never hold. You think its bad now imagine all the idiots that would come out of the wood work if they didnt have to raise or spend their own money.
All donations must go to the party. Then the party must divide the money equally to their front runners in the primarys and use whats left for their presidential campaigns.
Not gonna work, in a lot of ways the party is the problem. And people think we are too limited now, that would pretty much garauntee that an independent or third party candidate would never get heard from.

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08-10-2007 03:49 PM  10 years agoPost 527
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Something tells me that most voters dont take the time to research who gets thier money from whom...

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08-10-2007 03:51 PM  10 years agoPost 528
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Umdpru: Yep, just like all the other fools. Did't have much of a choice at the time, or so we thought. This next time, no vote for any incumbent. And probably no vote for either Repub, or Dem party. I for one have had it. Will probably vote all 3rd party candidates. Ron Paul will probably switch parties. He does, I do.

Honey, where's the check book, it's Fedex again

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08-10-2007 04:12 PM  10 years agoPost 529
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I blows my mind that people voted for him the second time around! He had proved hat a sh!tty job he could do by the time his first term was over. I guess the american public (atleast those who voted for him) thought that he would change .

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08-10-2007 05:01 PM  10 years agoPost 530
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Something tells me that most voters dont take the time to research who gets thier money from whom...
Most dont even take the time to vote much less care who is financing it. Shame to considering how easy it is to find out. Most of it anyway.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/index.asp

Not that I am defending his job performance but you dont honestly think John Kerry and John Boy could have done any better of a job do you. Not very wise to hand the country over to someone his is completely incompetent just because W is screwing us on some very key issues.

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08-10-2007 05:18 PM  10 years agoPost 531
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well, it was either hand it over to someone who you think was incompetent or give it back to someone who was proven to be incompetent.

how do you spell nuclear? It surely isnt nucular...

Talk about ignorance and stupidity

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08-10-2007 05:47 PM  10 years agoPost 532
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Missing the boat on some issues is not the same as being downright incompetent. If the CEO of a company is doing a lousy job you dont oust him for some average middle management type. You maintain and do damage control until you can find a suitable replacement. Picking the president isnt the same as hiring an accountant.

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08-10-2007 05:55 PM  10 years agoPost 533
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Missing the boat on some issues
this is a serious understatement.
If the CEO of a company is doing a lousy job you dont oust him for some average middle management type.
Senators are "middle management"??

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08-10-2007 06:05 PM  10 years agoPost 534
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I think they are all middle/management: Reason for being in politics, they probably could not find a job in the market place. Cheney is a Halliburton sponsored Mole. Bush is just a figure head. Cheney pulls his chain.

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08-10-2007 06:20 PM  10 years agoPost 535
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Senators are "middle management"??
The likes of John Kerry are. Ever see the movie Office Space, you dont have to be good at what you do to get to a position like that. You just have to be a better BSer than the other guy.

"There is a fine line between cutting edge and bleeding edge.."

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08-10-2007 06:34 PM  10 years agoPost 536
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Chris: Lets figure this out: Congress and Senate pay ,averages 183.000 a year. Any upper echelon manager in industry beats that. OK. Now for the President. 450.000 a year, plus benefits.
OK< So we go out and raise 20 to 50 million, so we can get that low pay job. Any big exec. is making millions a year to run our big corps.
Do you think? Could be for a hidden agenda???? Do we have an ego problem, or do the really big bucks come thru the back door.???
Congressman gets booted, or quits. Takes his millions in campaign funds , home with him. Warchest is his.
Whats the president get away with. I would be willing to bet, his Swiss account would sink the Titanic.

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08-10-2007 06:52 PM  10 years agoPost 537
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Ever see the movie Office Space,
I find it humorous that you base your opinion about middle management on what hollywood has shown you...

What other opinions do you use hollywood as a basis for?

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08-10-2007 07:07 PM  10 years agoPost 538
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That is in a round about way the point I am making. Politics doest attract the best and brightest. Like is said in respect to college professors sometimes, those who can do those who cant teach. That being said there are still degrees, and you dont go down just to get rid of an underachiever. You have to have someone at least on that level, hopefully higher.

With the lack of accountability I think all of the above could be said to be true to a degree. But you cant dismantle the system because those running it are corrupt when there is nothing wrong with the system itself. You dont go buy a new car because of a bad set of tires or you got some bad gas. You replace it, which is what we should be doing. But since most people dont vote the politicians just play the system. They know as long as the dont rock the boat enough to get people riled up it wont change.

I was thinking about this the other day while listening to someone talk about the debates that are being planned by the homosexual tv network and the spanish speaking network. Why is it that politicians play to the fringes during primary campaigns?

Its very easy, because they typically are the ones that vote. I think probably 60% of the people in this country politically could be lumped into the same group. That leaves 40%, half of which is at either end of the spectrum. That means 20% liberal and 20% conservative. Figure that only probably 60% of those vote in primaries, and that leaves you a total of roughly 25% of voters that will vote in a primary. Thats where the votes are.

Now, once you have made it through that process to the general election that total number goes back up closer to the 40% number. Now all you have to do as a politician is not rock the boat and do anything to get people upset enough to vote. Moderates will for the most part stay home and complain about the process. Which side wins depends on who is more passionate about the hot button issue at hand leading up to the election.

Case in point, the recent mid term election. That wasnt a referendum on the war in Iraq. It wasnt people changing sides because they are unhappy with the way the Republicans are handling things. It was that the liberals were more passionate about it than conservatives, because when people feel betrayed they dont switch sides. They just wont vote. Its a sliding scale of sorts based on the issues that determines who wins. And I believe its this way because more people dont vote. The closer you are to being on the fence the least likely it will be that you actually vote.

And until people get upset and get off the fence nothing will change. We have a wag the dog situation right now, and its not one side against the other. Its the lack of accountability against the complacency of the voters. They play the power struggle game but they really dont want it to tip to far in either direction, because then both parties lose out.

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08-10-2007 08:33 PM  10 years agoPost 539
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Hey Chris: Just got my Libertarian Party, info pack , in the mail. Going to do some serious reading. Info pack is free. Even includes a bumper sticker. Best part is the opening statement of the brochure.

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08-10-2007 08:38 PM  10 years agoPost 540
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Politics and Our Lord JC

Any political group will claim they are God fearing folk just to obtain positive feed back and to sucker true Christians into votes, however "any" political congregation who supports the killing and murder of a unborn child via abortion in the name of freedom of choice is anything but true God fearing folk let alone human at all! For those of you who disagree with me and do have children of your own then shame on you! go give your son or daughter in the next room a hug right now and say in your mind while your giving that hug to your child "abortion is acceptable and politically correct, its freedom of choice" If you can do this you are in serious need of professional help. My daughter is now pregnant with her second child, my second grand child. I love all my children and would give my life for there safety without hesitation. If I was the president of this great nation I would flip it upside down and give all the perversion that has wormed its way into our society a severe a$$ beating, when my presidential term was up I would not soon be forgotten....Thank God this discussion is in the off topic forum

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