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HelicopterAerial Photography and Video › Yet another Slow Stick For AP Thread
11-29-2007 04:45 PM  10 years agoPost 261
Burnt Offering

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Hey Richard, glad to see you jumping in here. I will do the best I can to answer some of your basic questions.
Wing bracing. Use the ones that come with the SS. Buy more than one SS to have extra parts. Assemble the wing as per instructions with a couple of differences. Add one more of the long wing spars right down the middle. You will then have long in front, long in middle, short in back. Forget copper, steel, or any other form of bracing. The weight factor here is everything. Also if you don't do the ailerons mod, don't even waste your time with this project.
All your electronics looks good, no, they look awesome, holy cow, nice stuff.
I don't currently run a downlink on my SS. I have mastered the "feel" of where I need to be with my SS to get whatever shot I need. I carry my SS with me every where I go, which means I never have a camera man. However, at a moments notice I can put on my downlink and have real time video or viewing for shooting snaps.
Out of the hundred of flights I've my SS has on it, not once has it ever failed to come home. Not once, never. I am so confident with my SS now that If I'm doing a shoot and I want to fly until the battery goes dead, I can, and a dead stick landing just does not get any easier. Also, there have been times where my battery has gone dead when I was out WAY further that I should have been, and really low to the ground, to get back to my LZ in one piece. My ESC is very forgiving in the fact that if I'm quick on the stick, I can chop power all the way back, come back into the throttle about 1/4 or 1/2 way, and it will give me another minute or so to get my baby back home. When this happens you cant give it full throttle or it will cut off, but if you are careful, you can milk it in from just about anywhere.
I don't claim to know everything about the SS. What I do claim is that I don't think I have begun to scratch the surface of its potential. I don't think there are to many people that could be harder on equipment than me. I take off and land in some hostile terrain. A great example of that is I currently have skiis on my SS. The undenialbe truth for me at least is that the SS has launched me and my AP business. There is no WAY I would fly my heli when its bitter cold in a parking lot of a Walmart full of cars and people and attempt an AP shoot. But I can and did with my SS just a week or so ago.
Everything you need to know about building a SS for AP is right in this thread. Follow the tips and mods and you will have an AP platform that is not only rock solid reliable, it will be fun for you too, and really thats what this is all about.

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11-30-2007 08:57 AM  10 years agoPost 262
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Burnt Offering,
Thank you for the Tip on the middle spar …. I see it in “talk the torque” post of his "SS" pics the middle spar, now why didn’t I think of that?
As for the aileron mod that is a definite, I have been flying my Multiplex Easystar with only the rudder mod.

As I mentioned I have come from a fixed wing background where ailerons are the norm and it took quite a while to get used to just flying with the rudder even on the aileron channel
I haven’t done the aileron mod on the Easystar but really should have and also cut the wing tips back a bit as well.
Now I am in the world of the SS, while it takes a bit of getting used to, Video Piloting with the brain telling you are moving when in fact you are on “terra firma” it sure is a buzz, however from some of the work I have seen on you homepage there is really nothing like a capture in a moment of time.
Looking at a still photo is really something to behold.
I think you may have converted me
Photography is a hobby of mine and has been for many years.
You really have to be there in the VP seat to feel the moment and it not the same just looking at a video when you can just look at a beautifully framed [even if it has been cropped in [PhotoShop] to really appreciate Aerial photography.
Just a note on http://www.intelligentflight.com , These guys are in Western Australia and are working on some new Tech Video /cam TX only 10mw with 12km range... Also video splitters and auto pilots for UAC and a whole bunch of other gear..

I will let you know how I go and post some pics later of the SS and the results here in the forum.

I have put stuff on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM-Uf9RCE18 and my user name for a search is the same as my name in this forum... The ones on there are early ones and I have been doing some building and working on OSD stuff so nit a lot of new stuff yet.
Cheers all
Thx’s again

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01-15-2008 04:31 AM  9 years agoPost 263
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This Pic from my Slow Stick weekend before crissie of our field

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01-15-2008 04:53 AM  9 years agoPost 264
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Fantastic Top, let see some pics of your SS dude!

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01-15-2008 05:57 AM  9 years agoPost 265
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These were taken just the camera under it is a pose you can also see a down link cam in a pic its just a cheap sercurity one.The pics were taken with the one that go's on board Pentax optioA30.
Cheer's

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01-15-2008 09:32 AM  9 years agoPost 266
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Kewl Top that does looks awesome

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01-15-2008 09:46 PM  9 years agoPost 267
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Top thats a sweet setup dude great job. So how much flight time have you logged with it? Are you happy with its performance? And do you know roughly how much it weighs? Questions, questions!

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01-16-2008 02:41 AM  9 years agoPost 268
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talk the torque & Burnt
Thanx fellas just put it on scales for you guy's 34 oz neat.
Taken some good and BAD video and lots of singles.Yesterday had just
put on E-Flight 480 to try have not yet.
Flight time Aprox all up 2 hours?????
Couple more pic's with chopper & SS.
Cheer's Top.

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01-16-2008 03:20 AM  9 years agoPost 269
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Talk the Torque
Just went back a page and see the extra spar.
Q Is it just sicky taped on.
Nice Rig as well.

Burnt
I to will try that extra spar idea.
Thanx.
I have short ply spar up front to stop wing flex now that
works a treat.

Cheer's Top End......Bob

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01-16-2008 04:06 AM  9 years agoPost 270
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Another way to stop the wing from flexing is to get a 12" piece of brass tube and a carbon fiber rod and replace the factory aluminum tube and fiber glass rods on the wing front and back.

This will take all the dihedral out and make it a flat wing, when you do this add a piece of balsa in the gap between the two wings.

I have done this on mine and several others and used them for combat and in a step dive with power on I have not had any wing flap.

Just my opinion.

Thanks

Paul

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01-16-2008 04:10 AM  9 years agoPost 271
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Hey Top, you will LOVE that Park 480 dude. She's a screamer. She'll take that baby almost vertical and do FAST! I think I merntioned this before, but if you chop power and just float by your target to take your picutures, you will get less blur from vibration. Also, if you really want to get a 90% or higher percentage of pictures, get an Askman mount. Best money I ever spent for my Slow Stick. It has self leveling gimbals and isn't so succeptable to every little wing dip. However, I went for many months without it and did just fine. So give us your opinion so far. Do you like the potential it has? Do you find it easy to fly etc etc. DO you like it better than your heli?

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01-16-2008 04:21 AM  9 years agoPost 272
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SO paul, I know Talk the Torque has done what you said and made a flat wing. I have built several Slow Sticks but have yet to make one with a flat wing. One thing I like about the stock set up is the incredible lift and floating capability of the stock wing configuration. I also like the "Slow" capabilty. For my AP preferences which right now is all I use mine for, I can take it up, chop power and stay aloft for a very long time even with my camera gear on it. For me the slower the better. Now Torque, he is from South Africa, he has done the flat wing config and loves it. It works great for him. So I guess my question is and this question is specifically geared towards AP. With that in mind, what are the advantages if any of a flat wing config?

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01-16-2008 06:28 AM  9 years agoPost 273
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Hey Torque just checked your gallery out.
What size gasser?
Check my gallery as well.
Cheer's Top End.

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01-16-2008 04:01 PM  9 years agoPost 274
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Here is my Soarstick. Started with the SS and got the bug, AP is so much fun! Almost everything is changed on my bird.

Pls see my gallery.

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01-16-2008 05:06 PM  9 years agoPost 275
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Burnt Offering

With the flat wing the ailerons work better. As far s lift goes it has not affected my lift much but with the dihedral the plane has a tendency to stay up right so it does take a little more effort to fly the plane, but if there is any breeze with the dihedral the wing high side would have the tendency to catch more crosswind where as the flat wing would not.

As cheep as the wings are you should get another set and just give it a try.

Paul

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01-16-2008 06:25 PM  9 years agoPost 276
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Hey Paul, good info. I buy the SS buy the gross. I usually have 4-5 extras laying around at any given time. I will have to give one of those wings a shot for the heck of it. I'm pretty stoked with the config I currently have. Every picture on my website was taken with my SS's. I doubt GWS had us in mind when they designed this little plane. I doubt they could have ever imagined what guys like us would do to it.

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01-16-2008 08:15 PM  9 years agoPost 277
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Nice web page Burnt.

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01-16-2008 08:26 PM  9 years agoPost 278
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Thanks Tonic. By the way, hows the SS AP going in your neck of the woods? I haven't talked to you in a while just curious to see how its going.

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01-16-2008 10:57 PM  9 years agoPost 279
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Cold and windy way to often here to fly much, plus we have had snow on the ground for weeks now. I've just been throwing a foam yak off the back deck to keep skill up. Gyro may be out on the heli so that's been grounded too, been looking on RR to pick one up.

I saw where you put snow shoes on your SS, let's see some pictures.

Tonic

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01-16-2008 11:08 PM  9 years agoPost 280
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Dude, The wind sucks, but trust me when I tell you, the SS perform fantastic in cold conditions. I have flown mine and yes taken pictures when it has been 10 below zero. Try that with a heli. I fly mine all the time when its cold and I have take some absolutley stupendous pictures. My 15-20 minute lipos go dead in about half the time of normal in the cold, but I can take a lot of pictures in 5-7 minutes. My camera works just fine in the cold. I have to be really careful when I bring it in from the cold though as the condensation drips off the camera as it starts to warm up. No prob, I just pull out the memory stick and view the pics on my computer. I have a couple pics of my SS with skis on it and I'll also post a couple pics I've taken with the snow and cold.

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