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01-17-2003 10:55 PM  15 years agoPost 1
awe

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Hi,

I just bought Logo 10. I finished with building the basic frame, now the confusing parts are finding the right/best electric setup for it. The more I read from the internet, the more I got confuse on choosing the best setup.

I will do regular fly and probably will learn 3D in few more months. Can anyone help me ??

I like to know what is the good servos, motor, speed control, receiver (I have Futaba 9 CHP), battery and anything else that you guys think is better for me to know before I fly this bird...

Before hand.... thank you for reading and help me

awe

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01-18-2003 03:43 AM  15 years agoPost 2
E-gpeden

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Hi Awe,

It looks like you need a "not quite the hottest setup, such as the Hacker B50-13L (like Steph280 has) or Kontronik FUN 600-17. Run them at only 12 cells, and a 15T pinion. When you want more rocket-like performance, go to 13 or 14 cells and drop to a 14T pinion.

The LOGO 10 is best done as light as possible and for this reason (along with their modest price) I recommend the JRDS368 servos. If you can spend a bit more money for a really nice servo, then the JRDS3421 is a great pick. For weight reasons alone, not to mentionist ease of use and the joy in being r=free from a receiver battery, get a UBEC.

I like the Schulze Future or Kontronik BEAT speed controls. In the case of the BEAT, get the 55-6-16.

Oh yes, there's lots of info at logoheli.com

Cheers!
Glen

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01-20-2003 07:09 PM  15 years agoPost 3
awe

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Hi E-gpeden,

Thank you alot for you opinions and suggestions...

I spent almost hole weekend to findout the stuff that you suggested. I think I will take:

Hacker B50-13L and a 15T pinion
12 cells Sanyo 3000
Futaba 401 Gyro

However I got question about :
Schultze 18.46K ESC - since the http://www.fxaeromodels.com selling combo with Hacker B50-13L for $369 and still need the receiver battery though. I could not find the Beat 55-6-16 but I found the Beat 55-6-18 which still need BEC...)

BRG4F receiver but the problem is only for Futaba and Hitec. (http://www.ecsvr.com/rc-direct/shop...rg%2C+Receivers)

Futaba or Hitec servos

That's my questions for a moment....

Once again thank you for helping me setting up my logo...

Henry

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01-20-2003 07:16 PM  15 years agoPost 4
awe

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Hi Glen,

I just go to your website http://www.logoheli.com It is really helpful for people like me...

I saw you there too....

I think I should let people know about your website so we can learn together...

Thanks Glen for creating very detail information about the logo...It really does help alot...

Henry

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01-20-2003 07:20 PM  15 years agoPost 5
E-gpeden

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Hi Henry,

"However I got question about :
Schultze 18.46K ESC - since the http://www.fxaeromodels.com selling combo with Hacker B50-13L for $369 and still need the receiver battery though. I could not find the Beat 55-6-16 but I found the Beat 55-6-18 which still need BEC...)"

Yes, that's why I suggested that you get the UBEC, which is a lighweight stand-alone BEC which you splice right onto your ESC's power leads. It's linked from my site, but I wonder if Fitz sells it.

"BRG4F receiver but the problem is only for Futaba and Hitec. (http://www.ecsvr.com/rc-direct/shop...rg%2C+Receivers)
Futaba or Hitec servos"

Uh, is there a quesiton in there? That link is not complete, but it looks like a shopping cart for a receiver? What kind? Please elaborate

"Once again thank you for helping me setting up my logo..."

My pleasure

Cheers!
Glen

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01-20-2003 07:21 PM  15 years agoPost 6
rickc

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I would suggest not using an onboard receiver battery but use a UBEC, it can be purchaced from Kool Flight Systems. http://www.koolflightsystems.com./

Rick

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01-20-2003 07:32 PM  15 years agoPost 7
E-gpeden

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Henry, that link worked for me now.....

Isn't that only a 4 channel receiver? You need at least 6 channels and a CCPM capable radio for the LOGO 10......

Me, I'm kind of partial to the JR brand of servos because they have some nice ones of the correct size and weight for LOGO helis.

Cheers!
Glen

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01-20-2003 08:55 PM  15 years agoPost 8
awe

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Hi Glen,

sorry the link is not complete when I copy it...

This is the link... (http://www.ecsvr.com/rc-direct/shop...rg%2C+Receivers)

This should work... if not, go to http://www.rc-direct.com/ , go to OnlineCatalog and go to Berg, Receivers, and in the middle of the list, there is BRG4F .

Oh... now I understand about the UBEC one..., I though there is buildin BEC in the speedcontrol...so I don't have to get another battery... (thanks rickc... for showing another website...)

Thank you all ....

Henry

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01-20-2003 10:14 PM  15 years agoPost 9
awe

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BRG4F receiver is 4 channel?? I bought my logo from that website... so I expect they also sell this BRG4F receiver in 6 channel...

So I should get the regular receiver than?? I have Futaba 9CHP is there any backdraw if I use JR receiver and servos??

once again thanks Glen..

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01-20-2003 11:41 PM  15 years agoPost 10
poerQwa

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Using BEC is still challenging. I was adviced not to use the current BEC's as i'm flying with 14cells. The current drawn could result in an overheating BEC when doing the aerobatic stuff. There are some new ones on the market that seem to handle that well. They also might add to electronic noise, giving all kinds of glitches.
For now I'm using my 52gram receiver battery (twicell 750mah). This is working just fine.

Awe and Gpeden: no need to combine JR servo's and receiver. I use the DS368 on a Futaba PCM receiver and that works just fine.

I don't know if you can buy them in the USA but it seems that the Multiplex micro digi servo's are also perfect for the job and a lot cheaper than the JR's.

Greetz,

Marc

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01-21-2003 12:17 AM  15 years agoPost 11
awe

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hi poerQwa,

Thank you for your reply..

do you know where I can get new cheap JR servos since I am thinking about taking Glen suggestion about the DS3421.

I look all over the website... but could not find good information on some of them... it seems like they don't sell the micro servo...

anyother servo works too like Hitec??

Thanks beforehand...

Henry

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01-21-2003 12:26 AM  15 years agoPost 12
E-gpeden

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"Awe and Gpeden: no need to combine JR servo's and receiver."

When did I say that?

EDIT: Yikes! I just went back and checked - what I wrote wasn't what I was trying to say I will edit that too

I don't think that you are familiar with the product named UBEC as distinquished from BEC equiped ECS's. The UBEC (standard one) works with supply voltages up to 30 V, I think, and it puts out a way more current than we could ever need. And it works very well....

Cheers!
Glen

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01-21-2003 12:32 AM  15 years agoPost 13
E-gpeden

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"BRG4F receiver is 4 channel?? I bought my logo from that website... so I expect they also sell this BRG4F receiver in 6 channel..."

Henry, I THINK it's a 4 channel receiver, because of th "4" in its name. I cannot check because my browser is currently crashing on their website. Your assumption stated above is pretty wild - they sell gliders too you know

So I should get the regular receiver than?? I have Futaba 9CHP is there any backdraw if I use JR receiver and servos??

You could use the JR servos with any receiver that works with your transmitter.

Cheers!
Glen

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01-21-2003 07:35 PM  15 years agoPost 14
awe

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Hi Glen,

I am looking for JR DS361 servo.... it hard for me to find internet store that sell it.... Do you know where to buy it?? I am ready to get the servo and receiver but just don't know where to buy in a good deal.

You know... this abbriviation of...UBEC, BEC and ECS's... it makes me confuse... and I am still confuse...Probably I will learn it as I build this heli....

Thanks Glen..

Henry

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01-21-2003 07:52 PM  15 years agoPost 15
E-gpeden

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Hi Henry,

Thanks for the ideas for my website

UBEC: stands for Ultimate BEC, a specific product (external BEC) sold by KoolFlite (sorry had to edit name - trying to reply/type too fast these days)

BEC : Battery Elliminator Circuit, which is usually built into some speed controls to provide proper voltage to the reciever and "Illiminate" the need for a receiver "Battery"

ECS's Actually "ESC" : Electronic Speed Control to regulate power applied to the motor from the flight battery to control rpm.

How's that?

re: store.... Where abouts do you live? Perhaps I can point to a place later when I get home from work

Cheers!
Glen

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01-21-2003 10:48 PM  15 years agoPost 16
poerQwa

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Awe,

I've seen promo's on Cyberheli (complete Logo set includes Jr361 or 368). I guess they will also sell servo's & receiver seperately.
I bought them in The Netherland (where I live). Graupner is the European reseller of JR stuff. I would not say these servo's are cheap.
They set me back $95 each
But then again it's Europe and I still want to fly nice stuff.

Greetz,

Marc

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01-21-2003 11:18 PM  15 years agoPost 17
awe

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Hi Glen,

That's really help alot..... It to find that meaning on the internet... but the more I read, the more I got confuse...

What you told me is help me alot... I think I should print it. I bet some of my friends don't know what that abbriviations are mean...

I live in Dublin, CA. I try some hobby store too.. but they just charge too much. so that's why I try to look for internet store...

Hi poerQwa,

Thank you for telling me about the cyberheli. I did not know that before.. But I could not find the DS361 servo overthere.... I think I will try spent more time on that site.. hope I can find some info.

Once again thank you guys....

Henry

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01-23-2003 03:56 AM  15 years agoPost 18
E-gpeden

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Hi poerQwa & Henry,

A kind person just pointed out to me that there is a service bulletin from the makers of the UBEC stating:

"It was recently discovered that the UBEC is incompatible with Kontronic's "BEAT" ESC.  We are working on changing our design to eliminate this issue.  We expect to have our new design available by mid to late February of 2003."

poerQwa, if that was what you were trying to tell me, I am sorry that I did not understand..... I've been so busy working on my web site the last month or so, I haven't had as much time as usual to read the bbs's.

Henry, you're in California? My God there should be dozens of mail order places nearby I think you want the JR 368, which is sold in the USA.

Have you been to the Ezone bbs? there's lots of electric fliers from CA there.....

Cheers!
Glen

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01-23-2003 05:31 AM  15 years agoPost 19
steph280

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Henry,

You will not find DS361 in the states, as they are available overseas only. The equivalent here in the states is DS368.

I picked up some DS361 on my last trip to Japan. These little gems works great!

Ultimate BEC works great with my Schulze. Got another one for my beat, but will probably use it in the hacker after hearing about the problem. Supposedly they are sending a new Beat compatible version to a buddy of mine. We'll see how it works.

Stephen

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01-23-2003 10:09 PM  15 years agoPost 20
awe

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haaa.... thanks steph280. I try to look for DS361 and could not find anything near...

I will check on DS368.

What do you guys thing about Futaba Micro servo. Since easier for me to find Futaba micro servo than JR servo.

Thanks also to E-gpeden, I almost buy that combination. well I think I should wait for that than...For a moment I will concentrate on Servo and receiver.

Once again thanks guys...

Henry

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