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01-17-2003 09:30 PM  15 years agoPost 1
The_Dave

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Question, if your club was hosting an event and club members volunteered to work a certian number of hours supporting the event (say 4 hours a day) should they have to pay the same entry fee as everyone else or should it be reduced or even waived?

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.

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01-17-2003 09:39 PM  15 years agoPost 2
ToddG

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Definately seems to make sense that if people are working an event they are not only helping to contribute to a successful event, they aren't flying during the working time!

Todd

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01-17-2003 09:43 PM  15 years agoPost 3
Obsessive

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If you can't put up $5.00 for your club, you can't put up $15.00 for gallon of fuel.

People should always pay, for the good of the club.

If you've contributed in a positive way to make the event happen, you do so by noblesse oblige.

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01-17-2003 09:46 PM  15 years agoPost 4
The_Dave

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Interesting
So , what if the entry was 30 bucks and you spent 6 hours running the event and wanted to get in one flight, you still pay full boat? How about all the time you spent the 6 months before the event working on it, that count for anything? Or is time and effort not to be rewarded?

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01-17-2003 09:49 PM  15 years agoPost 5
furyextreme

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when a club hosts a funfly it is usually to make money so yes all members should pay for the good of the club.
the club is the host and you are charging all your guests to come down and fly. guests at my house eat and drink for free

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01-17-2003 09:59 PM  15 years agoPost 6
furyextreme

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How about all the time you spent the 6 months before the event working on it, that count for anything? Or is time and effort not to be rewarded?

the funfly has not even taken place yet?
maybe your efforts will be commended during the funfly?

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01-17-2003 11:31 PM  15 years agoPost 7
corey11

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It all mattrers. If they work for 4 hours, and the entry is 5 bucks, give them free lunch. If its 15 dollars, let them in for free. But if they work for only an hour, make em' pay Ive down some work for fun-flys, and it isnt to hard. Inless you are lazy. Most of the time, you only work for 2 hours.

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01-17-2003 11:40 PM  15 years agoPost 8
ToddG

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Ive down some work for fun-flys, and it isnt to hard. Inless you are lazy. Most of the time, you only work for 2 hours.
Must have been a lot of other people working pretty hard then! On a 3 day event 8am-8pm flying, that's alone requires 36 hours for staffing the radio impound alone. Throw in events, judging, etc and it can easily triple.

Any none of this accounts for the many, many hours of preperation work that event coordinators and volunteers have performed beforehand to ensure a successful time for all participants.

Heck, if I had an extra voting option it would be to PAY the helpers a small amount for their assistance at the event in addition to allowing them the trivial amount of flying time they will get outside of working the weekend.

Todd

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01-17-2003 11:43 PM  15 years agoPost 9
furyextreme

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pay me and i will go down to vegas again.
i lost my shirt there last year

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01-18-2003 12:58 AM  15 years agoPost 10
alvinrc

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Volunteering is just that...Volunteering.
Meaning no compensation expected.
Pay the entry fee.

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01-18-2003 02:29 AM  15 years agoPost 11
BladeRunner

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I have hosted / CD'ed and run only two heli fun flys. I did 99% of EVERTHING. I still paid the "landing fee". I did the first one because NOBODY in the club was doing anything....if there was to be a Heli Fun fly at all (the very first for that club) someone had to "take over". I did and I'm glad I did, it was a great success and every single person who registered came up to me afterward ( and several others) and shook my hand and said they had a great time.....that's all the "payment" I needed and even though it was a LOT of work and I put it together in only 5 wks.....I would do it again (actually I did... ). I learned a lot and that helped me with the second one. In the end I burned about 17 CD's of pics of the event and gave one to each of the sponsors as well as 3 club members who helped out on the day of the FF. So I think everyone should pay as that is the way to keep things moving in the club. People who volunteer do so because they want to help..not because they expect to be paid.....either by a free lunch or entry fee.....of coarse they DO get a free lunch.....that's the least you can do......can't have overworked volunteers falling down for lack of energy!!!......

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01-18-2003 05:10 AM  15 years agoPost 12
Dr.Tim

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Play or Pay :)
I was President for the past couple of years here at our local Club. -- I put Quite a few Hours into this position planning events, BBQ's, FunFlys and Work Details. I Still Paid my Dues just like everyone else, I also Paid Full entry Fees into all the FunFlys. It Boils down to this - Is your Club an Employer or a Club that is Ran by Volunteers? These Events are designed to supply the CLUB with operating Funds for Repairs, Rent, Trophys and Supplies. If a person wants to be compensated for his time then you should ask yourself why you Volunteered in the First place if you want to be Paid.

Dr.Tim

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01-18-2003 06:12 AM  15 years agoPost 13
Dragon2115

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If you've got people, and we're only talking a small handful at most here, that spent days, weeks, even months planning and organizing an event or even just the day working the event, then it's pretty damn cheap to charge them a landing fee for the 1 or 2 flights they MIGHT get in at the end of it. Maybe that's why it's so hard to find people to volunteer for these things, they end up paying to work while everyone else pays the same amount and gets to enjoy themselves.

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01-18-2003 06:26 AM  15 years agoPost 14
Ken B

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Everyone pays. What's the sence in having a fund raiser if some people don't pay to play?

That being said, if it's 100% work and ZERO stick time then the person shouldn't pay. Their work is their payment. This is a fine line that shouldn't get crossed.

For instance, we do a car wash in my work section. If anyone washing the cars wants theirs washed they pay. If all they do is wash other peoples cars... then they don't pay.

Ken B

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01-18-2003 01:11 PM  15 years agoPost 15
Wayne

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Davidsonville, Maryland

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Guys:

The club who sponsors the event is just that, a club. They are very likely holding the event to help pay for field rent and all the other expenses the club has each year. In the spirit of supporting the club, as your hobby, wouldn't you want to help support the club by both helping out at the event and paying the registration? It's not like if the club rakes in another hundred dollars at the event all the members are going to take the money and split the profit. Every dollar the club takes in will go back to the members and flyers some how.


I've been involved in our club and our FF since we started them in 1990. Some of things we spend money on:

Field rent. (one acre here sells for over $150,000) Our rent is thousands of dollars a year.
Trophies
Park Fees
Porta potties
mowing grass
grass seed
fertilizer
open houses (to promote the club and the hobby)
mailing flyers
advertising (even an add for the event on RR costs $$)
AMA fees

Now, if this was your business, or a commercial event, you have a point. But it's not, the clubs need all the help they can get.

My suggestion: Go to the event, register, help out, and have fun. Every year tons of people come to our fun fly and do just that. While one or two folks complain, most everyone is happy to support the club. Everyone who registers usually gets something back in prizes anyway! How do you think we can afford to give free food to everyone who crashes!

Now, the sad part is that at each event about 20% of the helicopter pilots who show up don't register. They won't fly, but for some reason they won't support the club. But they enjoy hanging out, watching the event, and parking their helis in the pits. Not sure why anybody would come to an event and not register!

Hope to see everyone at our FF this June, and thanks to everyone on RR who comes out and supports our event and our club 100%!

Wayne Hillenbrand
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01-18-2003 02:05 PM  15 years agoPost 16
Naomi

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Ontario, Canada

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I think it's fair to say if you are running 6 hours of events and catch a flight or 2.. you shouldn't have to pay the "full boat".. Those helping out in the event should have special event discount. IMHO.

Naomi

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01-18-2003 03:31 PM  15 years agoPost 17
BladeRunner

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And then there is always one or two who refuse to register (or produce their insurance info) don't do anything to help...then try to fly ANYWAY!!! They don't do anything to promote the hobby.......and only think about themselves and what they can get for free.....

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01-18-2003 04:54 PM  15 years agoPost 18
corey11

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How about this, if there asked to do work, let them in for free, or give them lunch. But if they ask to work, make them pay

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01-18-2003 05:06 PM  15 years agoPost 19
bxc53

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Free flying, but no prizes
I think that any club member helping the run the event in a significant way should get 'free' flying, just as they do any other day. I would suggest that they don't get any included raffle tickets, etc, unless they buy them. It's always a little odd when an event sponsor wins a major prize.

Just my $.02 ( before taxes)

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01-18-2003 06:40 PM  15 years agoPost 20
Hotwings

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Florida, West Palm Beach.

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at our club in Jax, you pay if you want to fly period, however the time you help, whether its mowing grass, volunteering at the mall, or working the FF, counts toward your membership dues. after a certain # of hours your membership is free, at 100 a year this works out better because the guy who mows and doesn't help at the ff gets the same benefit as the others, pay if you fly, period. c-ya Ron

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