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HelicopterKyosho Caliber/Quest Neo-Caliber series › newbie needing some opinions
01-29-2007 03:35 AM  10 years agoPost 1
p3ripperfw

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so im looking to get into nitro helis.

torn between two options the raptor 30 and caliber 30.

the thing im torn between is availability of parts and information.

I know the raptor parts are readily available but wasnt sure about the Caliber 30.

Also having the raptor technique site is a huge help for a newby. Just wondering how much info is available for the calibers?

Ive been flying rc planes for a while and gassers but just looking to slide into some helis.

The caliber definately has the price attraction just wondering if it is all its cracked up to be?

Is there going to be much difference in the flight characteristics of these two birds?

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01-29-2007 04:45 AM  10 years agoPost 2
dkshema

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Take your pick.

Since this is a post in the Kyosho section, I'll recommend you go for the Caliber 30. It really is a nice machine. I've got three at present, have had two of them for about four years now, the third is now two years old.

If you get one with the OS 32 SX-H, you'll find that once you get the motor broken in and tuned, you can expect about 30 minutes of hovering and simple forward flying on a tank of fuel. Not bad.

Later on, as your skills improve, drop the 32, put an OS 37 with a good muffler in its place, and you'll have a whole new machine, ready to do whatever you ask of it.

The Caliber 30 is a rugged, versatile heli. It requires absolutely no upgrades to fly well out of the box. Simply set it up correctly (go for the EMS -- CCPM -- installation when you build it) and go fly. When you are ready to progress from the wood blades, slap a set of carbon fiber 550 mm blades on it, have a ball.

The Raptor isn't that bad. I've been around them, and frankly prefer the Caliber over the Raptor.

Parts for the Caliber are readily available from Chris at RC Heliworks who does an outstanding job of supporting the Kyosho line of helis. Heliproz is a good second source, and the last resort is Kyosho America. I've NEVER had trouble getting any parts I need for my Calibers.

As for information, you've come to the right place for info on setting up your Caliber, maintaining it, and flying it. Once you learn a little about setting up ANY helicopter, you'll find they are pretty much the same. Information on Raptor Technique is just as valid for a non-Raptor, as it is for the Raptor itself (though some of the stuff over there will be machine specific).

Flight characteristics will be similar, and if you stay in the heli side of things, you'll find that flight characteristics of all helis are pretty comparable. With helicopters, it's all in the setup. Do it right, they all feel great in the air.

If you don't have a radio that will do heli stuff, when you buy a heli, then buy a decent helicopter radio. You don't say what radio you currently use for your planes, does it also support heli programming? If NOT, GET ONE that does. It's added expense up front, but if you buy right, that same radio will fly your planes as well.

Whatever radio you have (or buy), make certain that it has support for CCPM mixing in helis. Most do these days.

If you don't have a simulator, get one, install it on your PC, and use it. If you have access to local helicopter flyers, find the good ones, ones who are willing to help, and who aren't stuck on flying or helping with only THEIR brand of chopper.

If you buy a Caliber 30, come back here, I'll make sure you have it setup and ready to get in the air with the least amount of pain and suffering.

Happy flying.

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01-29-2007 05:08 AM  10 years agoPost 3
p3ripperfw

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Thanks alot for the reply...I can already see theres tons of stuff to learn to understand these helis. Its like a different language....ems-ccpm? Ill have to look that up.

I fly a 9-cap so it should be able to handle the heli side no problem.

If I build it I will go with the 37 right off the bat.

Will this fly well on the jr 821 servos or do you really have to put high dollar digitals like the futaba 9202 on everything? I can understand the gyro and tail servo needing to be digital like the 401/9254 but just wondering if the 821's would do the job since they can be found for a decent price.

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01-29-2007 01:32 PM  10 years agoPost 4
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decision

The raptor is a great helo and the 821 servos will do fine in either hele. I have the caliber 50 and a nexus both of which are great flying hele's but if I biff one I have to order the parts online and wait 3-5 days for the parts. On the flip side if I biff the raptor in most cases my local hobby shop has the parts in stock and I'm flying the next day. Thunder tiger has done a good job in flooding the market with there product so well that the local hobby shops keep what sells in stock, the raptor equipment. Check your local hobby store to see what parts a readily available to you before making a final decision this may be the deciding factor for you. If you are going to buy the OS37 that's a good choice less money spent in the long run but keep this in mind most folks fly the OS32 and then jump to the OS50. If you have the OS32 use it and become proficent with that helicopter and if it is the raptor you bought you can buy a conversion kit to go to the 50 size hele.

Enjoy the day for we know not what tomorrow holds

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01-29-2007 06:54 PM  10 years agoPost 5
dkshema

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DS821's would work fine in the Caliber 30. I'm actually running some old JR NES517s in one of mine, NES-537's in the second, and DS537's in the third. All have 401 gyros, one has a 9254 servo, the other two have analog NES-537s on the tail. All fly great. There have been some posts here about the DS821s failing, take those with a grain of salt, you only hear about the bad ones, no one ever posts that they DON'T have problems with servos.

The 37 is a wise choice, excellent power, makes the Caliber 30 really do its thing. Just put a good high volume muffler on it, not the stock one that comes with the Caliber 30.

The old "see what parts the LHS" has on hand is getting a bit old by now. I'm here in the middle of the country, parts for my Caliber 30s have never been more than 4-days shipping away. Crash on the weekend, have parts, time to rebuild, and ready to go the next weekend. I'd get awful bored flying stuff if I had to rely on parts from the LHS. And I don't really enjoy showing up at the field with the same old stuff that everyone else has, simply because parts are local.

EMS -- CCPM -- it's the way the swashplate is controlled. Three servos move the thing in unison as opposed to what Kyosho would call MMS (mechanical mixing system). EMS is their moniker for Electronic Mixing System. Your 9CAP will support the EMS/CCPM setup and in the Caliber 30, that is the only system you should consider using. The Caliber 30 gives you both options, it's just that the EMS system is more direct, easier to set up, and has a lot less free play.

It's also not particularly true that most fly the OS 32. That's a good motor, but with the 37 dropping in the same holes and giving you much more horsepower to work with...the 32 is clearly the second choice these days. The 37 in the Caliber 30 makes it a heli to keep around a long long time. I own three Caliber 30's, two have 37's in them, the other still has the 32, and I own an EVO 50 and Caliber 5. The 30s get just as much air time as the 50 powered ships do. They are great flyers, as responsive and as capable as the EVO and the Caliber 5.

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01-29-2007 07:19 PM  10 years agoPost 6
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Three servos move the thing in unison...
Just make sure the three servos you choose are the exact same model servos. Since they run in unison, they have to be the same speed and torque.

On the 9CAP your going to want to take the ratchet off of the throttle stick if you haven't already. It's easily done by removing the back cover and flipping a little peice of spring metal on the stick. You can't miss it.

The CCPM(EMS) setting that Dave is talking about is on the second page of the "Basic Menu" under "Parameters". You will want to select "SR-3" for the TYPE. Once you do that, go back to BASIC page 1 and select "SWASH AFR". Set the following:

AIL>-65
ELE>-65
PIT>+65

Goto the "REVERSE" menu and set CH3(THR) and CH6(PIT) to REV and keep the rest NORM to start out with. These might change depending on the servo you decide. These are my settings for the Caliber I had a couple of months back. I still got them stored in my 9CHPS hoping I might get another one. I had to sell it to fix my EVO50 after a devistating crash. I didn't want to but had to. The 50 was too much fun. Not that the Caliber wasn't. I'm just a power freak.

These should get you going in the right direction on your setup. Good luck with your decision.

Chad

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01-29-2007 07:44 PM  10 years agoPost 7
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dkshema

I'm sure that not everyone lives as remote as you do but most hobby stores stock the necessary repair parts for the raptor hence if you biff it on friday you will be able to fly again saturday and not have to wait 4 days to get parts and wait until "NEXT WEEKEND" to fly.

Enjoy the day for we know not what tomorrow holds

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01-29-2007 11:17 PM  10 years agoPost 8
dkshema

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if you biff it on friday you will be able to fly again saturday and not have to wait 4 days to get parts and wait until "NEXT WEEKEND" to fly.
That must be the reason I have more than one chopper. On the other hand, to smuck two or three choppers in an afternoon can get to be pretty expensive!

Still, I'd get pretty darn bored showing up at a field full of Raptors (or EVOs or....) to be just another one of many in the crowd.

Parts for most mainstream helis are only a mouse click and a few shipping days away. Since I work the dreaded 7:30 to 4:30, Monday - Friday, most of my flying happens on weekends.

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01-30-2007 06:23 PM  10 years agoPost 9
p3ripperfw

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Thanks for all the replys.

I already fly with the ratchet off since i fly exclusively 3d and think its easier to hover without the clicks.

ill definatley take all this into account when I decide to get my heli.

Thanks for all the help its very much appreciated.

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