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01-28-2007 02:35 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Sealerman

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5CEBQC-TY
The Bush administration doesn't believe the Constitution guaranteeds the right of Habeas Corpus to the American people. If you don't know what that means you diffently should find out, here is some info if you care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus
If the media in this country was truely Liberal this would be a TOP STORY on every News outlet, well except Foxs News.

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01-28-2007 02:46 PM  10 years agoPost 2
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What is the meaning of is

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01-28-2007 02:53 PM  10 years agoPost 3
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To but it simply, Habeas Corpus guaranteeds you a day in court to address the charges against you and it pre dates the Magna Carta (1215 AD) Heres another link for you to read.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4329839.stm

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01-28-2007 02:58 PM  10 years agoPost 4
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Wow!
For once Sealer posted something interesting!
Hope this guy doesn't stay in office long!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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01-28-2007 03:32 PM  10 years agoPost 5
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Hey CJames I come across like a lunatic, well because I am. But thats because I see what is going on in this country and can't understand why the American people aren't kicking these SOB's out of office. This is just one of the many things that We the People should be freaking out over.

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01-28-2007 04:44 PM  10 years agoPost 6
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"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." I guess you did not read that far down, kinda different from "shall not be infringed" as stated in the second amendment.

So Sealerman, the constitution makes provisions for when it may be suspended. Just like Lincoln did.

Two words, Jose Padilla. Leaves the country, joins a foreign army, and conspires against "public safety". Does the constitution say anything about your rights after you join a foreign army?

You must have been in the mood after getting charged up by Hanoi Jane and doofus Sean Penn in Washington.

You lefties are on a roll, but you have mistaken dissatisfaction with the war, for a desire to walk away and damage the US's security.

Time for the Democrats to put their money where their mouths are and solve the war by "talking" to Iran, Syria and N. Korea.

Why is Pelosi talking to Musharref instead of im-on-a-jihad of Iran?

Get Carter involved, after all he had great results with Iran. Good luck with that.

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01-28-2007 05:08 PM  10 years agoPost 7
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I guess you did not read that far down, kinda different from "shall not be infringed" as stated in the second amendment.
What are you talking about?
Two words, Jose Padilla. Leaves the country, joins a foreign army, and conspires against "public safety". Does the constitution say anything about your rights after you join a foreign army?
LOL Jose Padilla, Stet you are so dense. Do a little reasch about him I wouldn't be suprised if they let him go because the Justice deptment F'ed that case up so much. The bottom line Stet is if the Padilla case is so open and shut why didn't they bring him to trail years ago?
You lefties are on a roll
LOL The Attorney General says the Constitution doesn't guaranteed Habeas Corpus and you say Lefties are on a roll. So typical of a Neo-Con. I like how you bring Carter and Pelosi into this as if they had anything to do with it. Stet close your eyes and imagine Janet Reno had said those thing to Congress, I'm sure you would have supported her as well, NOT.
So Stet do you think the constitution guaranteeds Habeas Corps to all citizens?

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01-28-2007 06:31 PM  10 years agoPost 8
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Without Habeas Corpus, the Constitution and Bill of rights kinda becomes moot. Looks like first step to Dictatorship, that Bush talks about , just a little too much.
In my opinion, 9/11 was a setup, just for this purpose..Look around , things are happening that didn't happen in ww2.

Honey, where's the check book, it's Fedex again

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01-28-2007 07:07 PM  10 years agoPost 9
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I posted my following comments in another thread:

The dilemma which the AG is attempting to create is whether HC is a right by Statute or by the Constitution.

If by Statute, then Congress can easily change it. If by the Constitution, then it becomes much more difficult to modify.

This is not a Left or Right issue. Lincoln abolished HC and Congress reinstated it two years later. The Constitution refers to taking HC away in the event of a rebellion or an invasion. The AG is implying that unless the Constitution specifically grants the right, then it may not exist, never mind that it says such right can only be taken away in the event of a rebellion of invasion. As Arlen Specter said to the AG, ".....you may betreading on your interdiction and violating common sense, Mr. Attorney General."

Senator Specter isn't exactly a bleeding heart liberal.

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01-28-2007 07:08 PM  10 years agoPost 10
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basically Bush wants to be able to detain whoever he wants, wherever he wants, for as long as he wants??? WITHOUT a trial date? That's not exactly what "democracy" is about... unfortunately we aren't living in a democracy. Anyone who believes that we are in a democratic society needs to open their eyes. 2-party system.... electoral college... GWB.... heh.. no.

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01-29-2007 12:17 AM  10 years agoPost 11
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I love the way you lefties want to give rights that belong only to US citizens to enemy combatants. Padilla may have been a citizen, but when he went overseas and joined a foreign army, he relinquished his citizenship and the rights bestowed. Doesn't the constitution say something about that?

The way the left wants to defend (to win) the terrorists is exactly why we do this. It is a war, not an OJ game. Just look at Ramsey Clarke defending Sadaam. He'd defend Pol Pot too, but only if Pol Pot was fighting to destroy the US.

Anti capitalist, anti establishment, anti American. And you are free to be that way, that is until you join a foreign army with which we are at war.

BREAKING NEWS

Hillary demands Bush be out of Iraq, before the end of his term. Brilliant, the left does everything possible to benefit the enemy, and as a result the enemy is emboldened and the war drags out. But they don't want to deal with the real consequences. Guess what, it is everybody's war, not just Bush's. And I look forward to how they deal with the war so much "better". I don't think they will be in power for long, if at all. But if Hildebeast becomes prez, that is ok with me too.

I don't want to give the terrorists NY lawyers, I want to kill them. Why do you want to give them civilian trials with all the games?

This same stuff was said before and during WW2, nothing really new as history is repeating itself.

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01-29-2007 12:37 AM  10 years agoPost 12
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unfortunately we aren't living in a democracy.
You are correct Trex, America is a represenative Republic.
"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
Stet H.C. isn't a "privilege" it's a right and the founders felt it was such a no brainer that they did not feel they had to put it in the Constitution. But they did realize that one day a Lunatic maybe voted into office by poorly informed citizens so they put in the only 2 reasons that the right of H.C. suspended.
Time for the Democrats to put their money where their mouths are and solve the war by "talking" to Iran, Syria and N. Korea.
I can't wait till we Impeach these SOB's and get some adults to run the Country.

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01-29-2007 12:58 AM  10 years agoPost 13
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Just look at Ramsey Clarke defending Sadaam.
LOL Stet you make me laugh and I thank you for that.

BREAKING NEWS

Hillary demands Bush be out of Iraq, before the end of his term.
Yea right Breaking News where NewsMax?
Anti capitalist, anti establishment, anti American. And you are free to be that way,
Maybe so but when you get people like you just discribed like Bush and Cheney in positions of power we get endless war which makes their friends rich. You see Stet thats their idea of Capitalism.

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01-29-2007 01:05 AM  10 years agoPost 14
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Two words, Jose Padilla. Leaves the country, joins a foreign army, and conspires against "public safety". Does the constitution say anything about your rights after you join a foreign army?
Stet take a look at this if you want.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007...ror-Charges.php

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01-29-2007 01:58 AM  10 years agoPost 15
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I like this picture.

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01-29-2007 05:52 AM  10 years agoPost 16
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"It's a right and the founders felt it was such a no brainer that they did not feel they had to put it in the Constitution"

I see, rights implied and expected that are not really there. Hmmm...
Anti capitalist, anti establishment, anti American. And you are free to be that way,
Maybe so but when you get people like you just discribed like Bush and Cheney in positions of power we get endless war which makes their friends rich. You see Stet thats their idea of Capitalism.

An amazing admission.

So when Clinton was bombing Serbia, Iraq, Sudan, he wasn't making constant war?

keepin' it real

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01-29-2007 02:40 PM  10 years agoPost 17
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I asked Stet this question,
So Stet do you think the constitution guaranteeds Habeas Corps to all citizens?
And Stet gives this answer,
I see, rights implied and expected that are not really there. Hmmm...
So Stet does not believe the Constitution guaranteeds the Right of Habeas Corpus. So this means he thinks the U.S. Gov't can arrest a citizen without cause and hold then for as long as they want. Seems like Stet and his ilk have a real supprise for the rest of us if will allow them to continue in power.
So when Clinton was bombing Serbia, Iraq, Sudan, he wasn't making constant war?
Gee Stet what a suprise bring up Clinton while trying to defend Bush, how original.
The Conservative ideology is DEAD may it R.I.P..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5CEBQC-TY

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01-29-2007 03:08 PM  10 years agoPost 18
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I'd like to see Mr. No Habeas Corpus Rights STET counter Gen. Odom here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8DPV-qDKcQ&NR

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01-29-2007 03:38 PM  10 years agoPost 19
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fwiw..

Yes...I'm back...

This has devolved into another thread showing the duration of attention span possessed by most Americans...Many actually now believe this war is about oil...It's not.
Most anti-war drones believe Bush acted unilaterally..he didn't.
Most anti war drones have already forgotten the 3000 people who died on 9/11...I haven't.
Does Bush suck...yes he does.

John.

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01-29-2007 05:23 PM  10 years agoPost 20
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This has devolved into another thread showing the duration of attention span possessed by most Americans...Many actually now believe this war is about oil...It's not.
LOL drdot, you're a lunatic, your post show you didn't even watch the video clip. How has this devolved from talking about the fact that the A.G of the U.S. doesn't think the right to a trail is guaranteed in very citizen by the Constitution.
Most anti-war drones believe Bush acted unilaterally..he didn't.
Most anti war drones have already forgotten the 3000 people who died on 9/11...I haven't.
Gee who could argue with that?
Ok so now you're a DRONE if you think the war with Iraq is wrong.
Does Bush suck...yes he does.
Wow that was deep drdot, care to elaborate. Oh wait I know he sucks because he hasn't attacked Iran yet right.

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