RunRyder RC
 4  Topic Subscribe
WATCH
 1 page 775 views
HelicopterMain Discussion › Starting out the right way?
01-28-2007 11:58 AM  10 years agoPost 1
dolinator

rrNovice

Casper, Wyoming

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Many people have opinions on getting started with heli's. Some say electric, some say gas, The small electrics seem to be fragile and costly on the upgrades, Batteries tend to be an issue and their small size seem to make them squirrelly. On the flip side of the coin you have the Nitro Heli's, they are bigger, much more stable and build for abuse. Fuel, Just get it at the hobby shop and fly all you want. I want to get started in heli's the right way and would like a Heli that is 100% ready to go with all those stupid upgrades. You would think those engineers would want to make a rock solid electric heli, All I have seen is little money making machines design to nickel and dime you to death. Whats your opinion and what is the right heli to start with???

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-28-2007 12:10 PM  10 years agoPost 2
VKGT

rrElite Veteran

Sanford, NC

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

My opinion is neither! Start with a good quality simulator and spend the time to figure out if helis are for you or not!

But nobody ever listens to that, they want a heli on the shelf to look at! I love both nitro and electric. I'd tell you to start with a nice used 30 size Nitro like a Raptor 30V2 or a nice electric like a T-Rex 450SE or a Swift. They all have a similar learning curve and are only limited by YOUR budget.

That's my 0.02

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-28-2007 12:35 PM  10 years agoPost 3
Paul Woodcock

rrElite Veteran

Dubai - United Arab Emirates

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

If you buy cheap and then really like helis then you would wish you bought better stuff.....if you spend more and 6 months later give up, you would wish you spent less....It is the same with every sport/hobby.

I would say that good 2nd hand is ok, BUT most times at least one component is not good. Like a worn motor or a crappy gyro.

I would say:
Raptor50 or Hirobo Evo 50
Jr 6 channel or Futaba 7chp
Futaba 401 gyro with 9254 servo
OS 50 Hyper
All the starting equipment/fuel etc

Either of the helis will do. Get the one that is locally more popular. The std servos that come with radios are fine to start. The gyro/servo combo is really good and i wouldn't recomend ANY other option. A good gyro realy makes learning easier. The OS motor is also well proven and popular.

Some people might say my list is a little over the top for a starter setup. The thing is that moth of these helis will take you far, if you like the hobby. To make this a bit hotter, add a few better servos, a high performance muffler and a set of carbon blades.

If you do a price comparison with a 30 size heli and a cheaper gyro, you wont save much. The radio will be the same. People always say that you can upgrade the heli to a 50 later. I did it that way and it is not cost effective. I should have just sold my 30 and bought a 50....

If you would like to spend more money to start, I would recomend a better radio. The JR 9ch (i think 9303 or 9x) or Futaba 9chp. And try swop some of the servos out for better servos....if the shop will do it.

Hope this helps

Paul

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-28-2007 12:40 PM  10 years agoPost 4
Paul Woodcock

rrElite Veteran

Dubai - United Arab Emirates

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Hi...again

I should of mentioned, the sim idea is a good one.

I would say a Trex is not a good heli to start....I will probably get shot down for this, but it is a little monster to fly. It is NOT cheap after you have everything you need. The only advantage is you can fly it more because you can often zip out to a park etc...BUT this can also be a problem, the parks often have trees and you end up trying to avoid them and not concentrating on the heli.

Paul

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-28-2007 01:05 PM  10 years agoPost 5
MikeC

rrKey Veteran

Mosinee, WI

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Like they said, sim to start. First off as stated the sim will tell you if you have the aptitude to fly a heli and second if you find that you do want a real world heli the sim will pay for itself in the first couple of crashes.

I think that saying the TREX is not a good heli to start on may be a little harsh but it is true that it is no where near as stable as a larger heli like the Century Swift that I currently fly. I have a TREX and find that I prefer the much more solid feel of the Swift.

As far as electric vs nitro goes, that you have to decide for yourself. I have switched completely from glow to electric and will never go back. But to be fair, each has it advantages and disadvantages. It all depends on what you want, where you will be flying it and how much room you have available. For a 30 size glow figure on better part of $1000 buy the time you have everything. A large electric like the Swift will run considerably more. On the low end you have machines like the Blade CP which are in the $200-300 range but you get what you pay for.

You're going to need some help so check out what the local clubs if any fly and what they recommend. It is possible to go it alone, I did many years ago but it's a pain! Helicopters aren't cheap or easy to learn to fly but they are a blast once you get into them!

Mike

Century Swift, TREX 450, Blade MCX, Spektrum DX7

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
01-28-2007 04:06 PM  10 years agoPost 6
Walleye

rrApprentice

Washington, PA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I would say:
Raptor50 or Hirobo Evo 50
Jr 6 channel or Futaba 7chp
Futaba 401 gyro with 9254 servo
OS 50 Hyper
All the starting equipment/fuel etc
Agreed except for the Raptor... go Pantera / Evo / Raptor ... you are more likely to have parts for Raptor at LHS but typically you will need some upgrades to get to the level of the Evo or Pantera...

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-28-2007 06:33 PM  10 years agoPost 7
Paul Woodcock

rrElite Veteran

Dubai - United Arab Emirates

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Hi Walleye

Excuse my ignorance, what is a Pantera ?

Paul

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-28-2007 08:07 PM  10 years agoPost 8
dolinator

rrNovice

Casper, Wyoming

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

GOOD ADVISE

I just want to thank everyone out there for their GOOD ADVISE and great help. Without such help I would be LOST! ("not that I already am") Anyway it's great to see the replies, I check here often and take in all that i read.

Thanks
Dolan

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 01:35 AM  10 years agoPost 9
starcop

rrNovice

Polson, Montana USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

What your not going to buy a small electric CCPM. What are you thinking. They are so easy to fly; and anyone can afford to repair it. I would by the T-REX 450 SE. My 7 year old can fly it with her eyes closed. Gee dolinator, look at me. I'm so smart I bought the Raptor G2. The first time I flew it I crashed into a box in my garage. Man I'll never forget that day; so much fun. Then after graduating to pro heliman and in my backyard, "I totaly wipped it out"! Sure miss those days. I'd sure be bummed out to think I could have bought a nice 30 size or larger helicopter after spending well over 500 bucks on that small electric helicopter. Well good luck happy flying!

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 01:40 AM  10 years agoPost 10
legoman67

rrElite Veteran

Nanoose Bay B.C, Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

starcop

umm u kinda contradic yourself? are u saying to go electric or nitro?...

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 01:44 AM  10 years agoPost 11
Don1127

rrApprentice

Manhattan, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The simulator (G3.5 is a great one) is the best advice. There are more pilots flying Raptors than alost any other heli. It's east to find parts and (more importantly) pilots who know thew equipment.

Lots of ways to go but I would lean towards the mainstream to get as much help as possible.

Thunder Tiger Raptors are also good - stable - simple - helis that will grow ith you/

Don

It's easy. Just pretend it's the simulator...

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 03:00 AM  10 years agoPost 12
Ronald Thomas

rrMaster

Gainesville, Fl, USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I got into my Swift RTF for about $800! Just look for bargains and then buy all of your stuff from one person who price matches!

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 03:08 AM  10 years agoPost 13
starcop

rrNovice

Polson, Montana USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

It's an inside joke here, the person who posted the thread is a friend...He and I have been flying R/C aircraft for about a year now. I was being sarcastic..I just recently got into helicopters and have spent several dollars on parts. Well my friend here at least takes a different approac and asks good questions. I should have bought a .30 size helicopter from the sounds of it. I have the T-Rex 600 now still in the building phase. I'm getting better with the controls. The FMS flight sim has really help me. Especially flying the nose and not the tail. starcop out...

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 04:44 AM  10 years agoPost 14
ole

rrApprentice

South East Minnesota

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

It should be required that if want to fly a heli on your own, you have to pass a proficiency test on a flight simulator before you buy your equipment. I learned on RealFlight G2, and now use RealFlight G3 to practice. If you have someone that will buddy cord with you on your heli, and spend the hours teaching you to fly, you won't need the simulator, but a good teacher on a buddy box will not let you crash. A simulator does not care if you crash, and you learn more from crashing, because it helps teach you what not to do. I crashed so many times on the simulator, I had to download a refill.
Once you want to get a heli, get a 50 size heli, because it is more stable than the 30. Same cost in parts as a 30. And I would also recommend the Pantera 50, by Audacity Models. Very nice heli.

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 05:08 AM  10 years agoPost 15
sla

rrApprentice

wasilla,ak,99654

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

well for what its worth i just started flying last fall. i bought a trex se and all the stuff like batteries chargers and radio. and i have spent alot time on the sim befor i thought about flying heli's. well i think the trex is a awesome little thing, it is not as easy to fly my raptor 50. parts are alot cheaper for the trex though. but the initial investment is about the same believe it or not. i think the raptor will hold its value more though. i personally wouldnt trust a used lipo battery. you never know what someone did to it. although there are some people on here that seem to know what they're doing, especially more than me, i dont know alot about this stuff yet. if i had to tell someone how to start i would say spend months on the sim before even deciding if you want nitro or electric.
if you want to know what the trex flies like there is a mx400 or something like that on one of the expansion packs that basically is a carbon copy of the trex. then fo fly like the dolphin 60 or the raptor 50 on realflight and you can sorta se the difference between the big and small.
one thing about safety is the trex is hard to see far away so you tend to fly closer to your self. the big nitro's 50 and up you can see easily so you tend o fly further away. well for a beginner it probably isnt a real good idea to fly right next to yourself. i am guilty of it also. i recently sold my trex and bought a fury extreme and havent looked back yet. and the raptor 50 is a whole lot more stable to fly.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 05:20 AM  10 years agoPost 16
billeva

rrNovice

kentucky

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

T-rex

Yep i will agree t-rex is a monster to fly
well for me that is maybe my set up
but i no expert i do fly raptor 30 50 and 90
t-rex 450x done crash 4 time
maybe it just or setup not sure
wating on parts again

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-31-2007 07:15 PM  10 years agoPost 17
Don1127

rrApprentice

Manhattan, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

"T-Rex is a monster to fly"

Not a glowing review. I wouldn't sugest that you buy a heli that was "a monster to fly" and tough to set up......

Raptors are straightforward and basic every-day machines.....

It's easy. Just pretend it's the simulator...

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 1 page 775 views
HelicopterMain Discussion › Starting out the right way?
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 4  Topic Subscribe

Thursday, December 14 - 2:23 am - Copyright © 2000-2017 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online