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01-28-2007 04:09 AM  10 years agoPost 1
HS10

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Hi Folks...

What is the diference between and "scale model" and a "semi-scale model"???

If I build a scale and don't have enough room for a scale cockpit, is it just a semi-scale model?

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01-28-2007 06:40 AM  10 years agoPost 2
JestRR

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Semi scale and scale are subjective!! If you build a heli that is as close to the full size heli as you can get it then its scale. IF you are just getting somthing in the air and not putting soo much detail work into, then maybe you can consider that semi scale. If you are building a heli and have documentaion on the paint scheme and the rivet detail, and show it with that documentation, then you are sucked into the scale side of things and there is denieing the POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!!!

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01-28-2007 06:55 AM  10 years agoPost 3
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Well acoding to some people, Scale is a perfect 100% copy of the real ones, Semi-Scale is not a 100% copy, there mite be a difference in size of some body parts or like the blades not turning in the right direction or a H-500 D with a two bladed head, to some that is not Scale its funny like that, but hou really knows.

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01-28-2007 02:19 PM  10 years agoPost 4
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To me Sport Scale is the body looks pretty much like the real one. No rivets, lights, or bells and whistles. Just a body mounted a set of mechs.

Scale, the body looks like the real one. With the right amount of detail you could compete with it. Perhaps you put some rivets on there. There may or may not be panel lines. You paint job matches a real one in operation. You have some exterior and interior detail to match a particular subject. May or may not have a cockpit. Many will put lights on thier scale builds if following documentation. The rotor head can be either two blades with paddles or be more scale in that it's flybarless or a multi head.

Super Scale, the body matches the copied subject. It will have rivet lines throughout. Detailing to the body matches documention as close as the builders skill will take him. Paint, markings, ect...will match the docs. The rotor head will be scale in that it's two blade flybarless or a multi. Some will have panels and panel lines in great detail. It's basically flying artwork.

Those are just my thoughts, not hard fact.
I've had a lot of the first type mentioned and loved them. Competed with one of the Scale type and I'm currently working on what I hope will be a Super Scale machine to compete with later this year or next year.

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01-28-2007 02:32 PM  10 years agoPost 5
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Most people who build Scale or Super-Scale are competing or just really love to build. On the other end, you have the everyday scale model (Semi-Scale, Sport Scale, Stand-off Scale) which is what most people build. They enjoy the scale look while flying but don't get into the rivets, panel lines, and cockpits. These are built to look good at 6ft and while flying. I'm a sport scaler myself.

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01-28-2007 05:02 PM  10 years agoPost 6
HS10

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Hi Folks...

Thanks for the feedback... Based on what you folks said a possible definition may be:

Super-Scale - May have the following features:

- The body matches a real one in operation.
- Paint job matches a real one in operation.
- Will have operational lights that match a real one in operation.
- Will have rivet lines throughout.
- Will have panel lines
- Will have detailed cockpit.
- Will have matching rotors 2,4,5 etc.
- Will have mating mechanical characteristics (retractable landing gear, rotational match, etc)

Semi-Scale - May have at least 3 of the following features:

- The body matches a real one in operation.
- Paint job matches a real one in operation.
- Have some exterior and interior detail to match a particular subject.
- Have operational lights that match a real one in operation.

Sport Scale - May have at least 2 of the following features:

- Body looks pretty much like the real one in operation.
- Paint job matches a real one in operation.
- There may or may not be panel lines.
- Have some exterior and interior detail to match a particular subject.

Stand-off Scale

- From a distance has visual similarity of a real one in operation.

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01-28-2007 05:28 PM  10 years agoPost 7
mcfast

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Hi Folks...

Thanks for the feedback... Based on what you folks said a possible definition may be:

Super-Scale Must have the following features:

- The body matches a real one in operation.
- Paint job matches a real one in operation.
- Will have operational lights that match a real one in operation.
- Will have rivet lines throughout.
- Will have panel lines
- Will have detailed cockpit.
- Will have matching rotors 2,4,5 etc.
- Will have mating mechanical characteristics (retractable landing gear, rotational match, etc)

Semi-Scale Must have at least 3 of the following features:

- The body matches a real one in operation.
- Paint job matches a real one in operation.
- Have some exterior and interior detail to match a particular subject.
- Have operational lights that match a real one in operation.

Sport Scale Must have at least 2 of the following features:

- Body looks pretty much like the real one in operation.
- Paint job matches a real one in operation.
- There may or may not be panel lines.
- Have some exterior and interior detail to match a particular subject.

Stand-off Scale
- From a distance has visual similarity of a real one in operation.

HOU ARE THEY TO SAY WHAT IS RIGHT!!!!!

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01-28-2007 10:40 PM  10 years agoPost 8
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If I build a scale and don't have enough room for a scale cockpit, is it just a semi-scale model?

I think it would still be a scale model. Just because you don't have a cockpit doesn't make your build of "lower" status then someone elses. I've seen models without cockpits that were done up well outshine others that had cockpits and various details.

Scale is scale, there are just different levels.

Christopher J
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01-28-2007 10:58 PM  10 years agoPost 9
HS10

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Thanks for the feedback...

Hi "mcfast" my apologies... I did not try to imply an authoritative position (I am very much a novice), but am trying to determine the nomenclature of my Agusta 190A project.

I have heard the term "scale" in differing context and just wanted to get clarification...

Based upon feedback my project appears to be a scale or maybe semi-scale model and definitely NOT a Super-Scale model...

Since this is my first project my goal is to have something that is realistic as possible and will fly OK...

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01-29-2007 01:19 AM  10 years agoPost 10
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HS10, your depection of scale is good. Pretty much puts it all in pespective.

Dr.Tim

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01-29-2007 02:15 AM  10 years agoPost 11
mcfast

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Sorry HS10,
I did not mean you personally, just the guys that come up with these classifications, we see classifications like that in all most any thing that people build "cars: bikes etc" and thy always show up to criticize other peoples work, it just p ss me off, I guest that is why I fly buy myself.

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01-29-2007 03:59 AM  10 years agoPost 12
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Who was being a critic? It looked like several people putting thier ideas in on what was scale. No one had anything bad to say about his build.

Christopher J
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01-29-2007 04:35 AM  10 years agoPost 13
mcfast

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Hi Christopher J
I meant, when we are out flying.

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01-29-2007 12:51 PM  10 years agoPost 14
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That's true for dang sure. Several times I heard guys at the field that don't have the remotest idea about scale building want to critique some of the scalers that show up.

Christopher J
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01-29-2007 08:18 PM  10 years agoPost 15
HS10

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Hi Folks

I have been in the RC helicopter hobby for over 2 years at this point.

I think I found my "niche" and its scale helicopters.

Building is the greatest fun and is more in-line with my very basic flying skills. I am not capable of 3D, and more enjoy scale flying basic patterns.

Thanks for your feedback...

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01-30-2007 02:24 AM  10 years agoPost 16
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Have fun with the build. If you get a chance post some pics of the build as it continues on.

Christopher J
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