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HelicopterAntiques or Out of Business › Updated Horizon 60
01-27-2007 05:47 AM  10 years agoPost 1
Mark Spies

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Hey Guys,
Who says old birds are gone and forgotten?Helmut Holder(Mr Horizon) and myself have been working on a ccpm verson of the older Horizon 60.I know your saying that they have not been around for some time and we are not going back into production again,just trying to do something for fun.We will be putting a 10mm main shaft and the tilt tray will be gone replaced by a tray for radio gear.All servos will be in the frames.We only have parts for about75 or so helicopter kits left in the world.There are some people that have been waiting for me to send them a parts to make a kit,Dr Tim, JC,Mark C,we havent forgot ya!!!We thought the parts were lost in Katrina,I had them at a friends house in New Orleans to store and havent heard from him untill last month and they were safe and dry.I will be posting some new pics in the next few weeks of what we are doing,Helmut almost 80 now and still has the passon to keep his helicopter alive.. Thanks Mark

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01-27-2007 08:06 AM  10 years agoPost 2
Trooper Sam

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Woohoo, I want to know more about this! I recently got a Horizon to rebuild, and this'll make a fun new direction for that project!

Trooper Sam

We do not do this to save money, we save money to do this-TheRickster

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01-27-2007 08:45 PM  10 years agoPost 3
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Go Mark and Helmut!

Oh yeah, get them Horizons going. I should talk as I'm way behind in putting mine in flying shape - but I will!

Don't know if this is a practical suggestion, but maybe you can host some sort of "Horizon Owners Fly-in" or something. We'd all get to meet each other and Helmut. See some of these old birds in the air.

Just thinking out loud in "clicks" (keyboard)

HHC
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01-27-2007 09:21 PM  10 years agoPost 4
Mark Spies

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Hey Steve,

I am sure Helmut would love to do that,would like to hear who still has one and maybe flying them.Helmut just left my shop and was going home to get some stuff and then over to his shop to do some more.I really think you will be surprised in what he has come up with.Get to work on those you have,I know you have all the parts Thanks Mark

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01-27-2007 09:33 PM  10 years agoPost 5
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Maybe?

You think a planned gathering could be scheduled? I need a fire lit under my butt if I'm going to work on any one particular project. That darn Powercat is still littering my workbench and I need to clear it off! There's not enough pressure to get it done.

Say Hi to Helmut for me. I've only spoken with him one time.

C Ya,
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03-01-2007 06:06 PM  10 years agoPost 6
Mark Spies

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Hey,
Here are some new pics of the CCPM Horizon with the Autorotation clutch.We should start flying them new week, Mark

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03-02-2007 02:36 AM  10 years agoPost 7
heli_headcase

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Pretty slick...

It's great to see someone interested in making improvements in a classic machine. Will be a good match to today's radio systems.

Two quick observations:

1) If it's not too late, or not impossible, rotate both forward cyclic (roll, pitch) servos 90 degrees in the frames so the forces on the pushrods act in line with the servo's more flex-resistant axis.

2) Flip the fan around front-to-back. The blade airfoil is rotating in reverse. Maybe it was installed in haste but I thought it would be worth mentioning anyway.

OK, what's the next step?


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03-02-2007 03:51 AM  10 years agoPost 8
Mark Spies

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Thanks Steve I missed that one on the fan,going too fast,,,,,,

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03-10-2007 02:55 AM  10 years agoPost 9
Mark Spies

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Hey Guys,

Just a update on the Horizon,we should be finished this weekend.The paint work is finished and radio is in,need to finish tail servo and bracket for swatch-plate.We have made the canopy fit from the inside out,looks neat.Helmut has been working on his,he will have the Horizon head with sideplates that were never sold.I must say I am very pleased with what we have done,looks better hope it flys as good,will let you know, Mark

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03-22-2007 11:21 PM  10 years agoPost 10
Mark Spies

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Getting real close to finishing,will fiy this weekend

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03-24-2007 08:26 PM  10 years agoPost 11
Mark Spies

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When the last time you built a set of blades????? These are 553mm with a 65mm cord Horizon blades what have to be made using a hard wood leading edge with a 113 grams of lead put into the slot. Then the balsa trailing edge has to be put on then the blade roots.The blades are cleared then the black cover is put on.These weight in at 180 grams are very nice for being make up of 22 year old stock I have made some at 210 grams for the flybarless head.Fiberglass would be nice but you can not find a 550 blade,12mm root and 65mm cord

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03-25-2007 01:12 AM  10 years agoPost 12
Mark Spies

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She Finished

We will see how she does in the AM, Mark

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03-25-2007 01:47 AM  10 years agoPost 13
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Lookin' good!

I suspect the flying will be completely uneventful. Just make absolutely sure the controls are moving in the proper directions. A simple check but after spending many hours of setting up the system and being happy with things simply moving, it's easy to forget to verify the direction of the functions.

I was helping a friend test-taxi a scratch-built F-16, 91 powered ducted fan jet and had my video camera running while the taxi runs were being performed. There was originally no take-off planned. My friend then announces: "What the hell, let's fly it!" and goes to full throttle. Fast acceleration and climb-out and then the jet starts to roll right. Very little time goes by and it's no more than six feet off the ground and inverted heading for the trees bordering the flight line. I'll spare the details for now but the crash was due to the ailerons working in reverse. The owner, all the while setting up the jet, was happy just to see the controls move and return to a clean neutral but never bothered to check the direction. D'OH!!!!!

Felt like sharing. Have a good test flight Mark!


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03-25-2007 02:11 AM  10 years agoPost 14
Mark Spies

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Steve,
I think I got it righteverything looks good. The blades are balanced and radio set -3 +5 +10,tail goes the right way,now if I can get her to run right we will be having funI will let you know,,,,hard to decide Turbine or Horizon

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03-26-2007 04:05 AM  10 years agoPost 15
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Any news?

How'd she fly?


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03-26-2007 04:21 AM  10 years agoPost 16
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Steve,
She flew real good,had some engine problems but I will fix that,OS70 going in tomorrow.The 120 work good and the 401/9254 on the tail was great.I have pics and will post in the AM.All the guys were jumping up and down when she was going around,the have never seen one,kind cool,we had a blast

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03-26-2007 04:35 AM  10 years agoPost 17
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Nice

Oh, excellent! Wish I could have been there...

What's the current engine and how is it causing problems? If the header length is (for example) too short, the .70 will be no better.

Also what fuel? I wanted to fly my '74 Du-Bro Hughes 300 (O&R 1.34ci engine) and 30% was all I had. Yeah, it "ran" but was constantly misfiring and fussing regardless of needle settings. Same with the Supertigre .61 in that red Me163b Komet seen in my gallery. Had to add a .5mm head shim to calm it down. Call me if you want to hash out the details. I'm up for a while longer.


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03-26-2007 05:03 AM  10 years agoPost 18
ChrisW

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Very cool...I used to mess around with the Horizon helis waay back when...
-ChrisW

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03-26-2007 01:39 PM  10 years agoPost 19
Mark Spies

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04-26-2007 03:17 PM  10 years agoPost 20
AirWolf Pilot

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Horizon 60

I recently moved my shop and found that I still had my Horizon 60 kit I got from Hubert back in 1980. I flew his model at the 1979 Nats and really like the handeling of the machine. I looked through the kit and suspect that it is complete except for instruction manual.I would like to assemble the machine, is there a source where I might find a manual? Thanks Larry

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