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08-08-2007 06:58 PM  10 years agoPost 81
trashmanf

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what happens with one set of mixing arms if you want to go inverted... does the gyro get reversed???

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08-08-2007 07:26 PM  10 years agoPost 82
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actually theorectically the coaxial behaves exactly the same way as a conventional helicopter in inverted flight. however, i'm not sure you'll be able to get all that weight above the shaft. then again, from personal experience, you'll be able to get tons of cyclic throw from the system. without tuning it down somewhat you'll get a really responsive helicopter.

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08-12-2007 06:34 AM  10 years agoPost 83
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Hello again, thanks for the nice posts

Back to building, more pics soon...see the earlier posts for the
differential collective for yaw expalnations. The collecitve
input is detailed there as well.

The machine is actually more maneuverable than a single rotor, and inverted is no problem at all, as the cyclic authority is extremely powerful,
and you gain 14 to 17 percent more power due to lack of tail rotor losses, as well as concomitant aerodynamic efficiency gains, etc....see the earlier white paper on this site.

One customer is using the machine for a DOD research transmorphing uav for payload lifting.

Will see the new fuse and retracts soon at JetPower in Germany, will post pics.

best,

michael

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08-16-2007 10:31 PM  10 years agoPost 84
human213

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Mechaniks

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08-16-2007 10:47 PM  10 years agoPost 85
human213

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More mechaniks

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08-16-2007 11:29 PM  10 years agoPost 86
heli_madken

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This isnt a helicopter its an art form, your photography and engineering skills are phenomenal, please keep us posted

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08-17-2007 01:16 PM  10 years agoPost 87
Coolrunnin

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Once again, a beautiful piece of engineering and a pleasure to look at

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08-17-2007 06:41 PM  10 years agoPost 88
trashmanf

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It really is like admiring a fine piece of art in a museum. The pics with a scale fuse and retracts should be astounding!!!

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08-19-2007 09:46 AM  10 years agoPost 89
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Thanks for the accolades....but...

All I did was polish Mr. Jung's kit...

all the work and credit due is to him....I have seen the retracts, and
they are extraordinary; light, and fully folding and rotating as per
full scale. There will also be a scale cockpit, and even an ejection seat. There will be a working cannon, and rockets that look scale when fired. I will have pics after the JetPower meet.

Here is a link to his site, if you have not been there yet,

http://www.modelltechnik-jung.de/

If anyone is interested in acquiring this kit, there is a limited
production number available; (pm me).

best,

michael

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08-20-2007 08:07 AM  10 years agoPost 90
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The New Kamax 1200 Mechanics of Volker Jung

This is the production prototype, with dual oil bath transmissions.

Michael

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08-20-2007 12:30 PM  10 years agoPost 91
Coolrunnin

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Once again, a very nicely finished set of mechanics for an unusual heli. Should be quite forgiving to fly too as the full-size is reputed to be?

I take it these are for turbine power?

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08-20-2007 06:44 PM  10 years agoPost 92
human213

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Kamax

Yes, as per full size, and this kit will be available as
a very limited production run.
PM me if interested.

m

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08-21-2007 07:33 AM  10 years agoPost 93
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08-27-2007 04:00 PM  10 years agoPost 94
fredd

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Can you please tell me the all in weight (without Kero). Thank you.

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08-28-2007 01:49 AM  10 years agoPost 95
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16 kg

michael

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08-29-2007 05:15 AM  10 years agoPost 96
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Coaxial Swashplate Phase Control

Fascinating project!

From my experience with single axis multiblade rotors - phase control on the swashplate can assist with setting links from the swashplate to the blade pitch arms as vertical as possible.

This is easy to accomplish with one swashplate and one set of blades - but I cannot get me head around a coaxial setup whether what works for the bottom blade will also work for the top one - intuitively a plus 20 degree phase setting on the bottom would require a minus 20 degree on the top - but then again the 90 degree gyroscopic progession of the blades with regard to max pitch and max lift - is not intuitive!!!

Can the brainstrust please ponder this - will swashplate phase control work on a coaxial heli - or must you accept the set swashplate movement and adapt the pitch arms to move the blades at the correct quadrant of swashplate movement

Look forward to the dialogue

Jeff

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08-30-2007 10:31 AM  10 years agoPost 97
human213

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The alignment of the two front

pointing blades, directly over one another, ( I use the

blade holder holes) in the shaft fore and aft midline,

and then locking the lower unit

to the shaft gives identical cyclic input

to both rotor planes...no phasing variance needed, as the

correct geometry is machined in, and found through extensive prior

flight testing...there are other designs with non slaved collective

and cyclic, but they add compexity without benefit...

The upper is now slaved to the lower. (A zero-zero set-up....)

This simple method works perfectly, and the symmetrical

nature of the coaxial leads to excellent flight performance,

consistent with the modality on the full size,

(see the preceding white paper).

michael

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09-05-2007 04:21 AM  10 years agoPost 98
Branzzz

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micheal, how does the tail gyro hook up to the rudder if the gyro only has one output but the yaw requires both the rudder servo and collective to move at the same time? if for yaw, the top rotor needs +2 deg pitch, the bottom needs to have -2 right?

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09-06-2007 12:16 AM  10 years agoPost 99
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Yaw

It is simply set as a condition, slaved to the
TR servo..

see prior data on site for actual operation(earlier posts) but the

mixer above gives greater changes to the upper head, and

slaved collective compensates such that altitude does not change,

and collective variance is the same, minus or plus the yaw

induced difference...

best,

m

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09-06-2007 12:49 PM  10 years agoPost 100
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thank you for the quick reply micheal. i understand how the rudder works. all mixing between the collective and rudder is done on the transmitter right? so if i were to move the rudder stick left, the rudder servo will move the mixer up or down, and the mix from the transmitter will move the collective in the opposite direction. but a gyro can only provide the output for the rudder servo. there will then be two types of rudder action,

1. commanded action from the pilot. the transmitter will handle the mixing to move the collective the other way.

2. automatic action from the gyro. but with the gyro on board the aircraft, how does it perform the mix to the collective?

thank you for your help micheal!

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