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01-26-2007 03:04 PM  10 years agoPost 1
STANG KILLA SS

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well this 450S and DX6 combo is my 4th heli. but the first 3 were "trim and fly" helis (CP Pro, lama 3, CX2)
programing the DX6 has been frustrating and intimidating
well ive got the servos in. i needed to reverse the pitch servo. it was backwards in all swash movements. got it reversed, it fixed it.
but my left right swash is backwards. when i go left it goes right.
ive read the manual 12 times, and watched the finle$$ vids about 6 times. his futaba menus look so simple and easy, i cant say the same for the DX6. in his futaba he has a swash menu. that reverse the ccpm mixing not just an individual servo, and reversed both servos in just that movement/mix(left/right swash). i cant figure out how to do it.
how do i reverse the left and right swash movements?

im so frustrated. ive got this new shiny t-rex and DX6 and cant do nothing with it. just ready to give up. i wanna get in the air!!!!

well ive got some other questions too. ill post them up at lunch. so if you see this thread back at the top its probly me lost again

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01-26-2007 04:18 PM  10 years agoPost 2
slider46

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I wish I could help you out but I have one of those old skool Futaba 9CHP with easy programing....LOL Maybe Finless should do a video on how to program a DX6 radio for you new guys.........

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-26-2007 04:29 PM  10 years agoPost 3
accelerator

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Probably a lame reply but can you just switch the servo leads in the reciever?

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01-26-2007 04:37 PM  10 years agoPost 4
TonyF

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Go to the CCP menu in the DX-6. You must have gone there to turn on the CCPM mix. The by pushing the left Enter button down, you will access CP2, CP3 and CP6. These are what adjust the amount of elevator, aileron and pitch throws. Go to CP2, then push the right Enter button down. The number will start to decrease then after 0 it will increase in a negative number. This reverses the roll output of the servos.

Hope this helps! I flew my 450SA's a bunch with the DX-6.

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01-26-2007 04:57 PM  10 years agoPost 5
STANG KILLA SS

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ill try it! i remember that menu. ill have to look it up agian how to get back to it. bit i rememeber it when turning ccpm on

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01-26-2007 05:07 PM  10 years agoPost 6
TonyF

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You turn on the radio, then move both Enter button up at the same time. That gets you into the model programming. Then just keep hitting the left Enter button up until you get to the CCP menu.

Have fun!

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01-26-2007 05:57 PM  10 years agoPost 7
STANG KILLA SS

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it worked! THANKS!
now i got a couple of other questions (im a detail freak )

1. under travel adjustment:
the pitch, throttle, elev, ail are all set to -100
and the rudder, and gyro are set to +100
why is this?

2. under the CCPM mixing: (several questions)
they are all set to 60%. is that a normal percetage? what happens if you raise or lower all 3 channels? what would happen if you raised or lowered only one? what does that percentage represent?

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01-26-2007 06:12 PM  10 years agoPost 8
Darren Lee

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1. under travel adjustment:
the pitch, throttle, elev, ail are all set to -100
and the rudder, and gyro are set to +100
why is this?
If you move the appropriate stick while viewing the travel adjustment value for that channel it will switch from positive to negative. You have to set each endpoint of each channel and this is done by holding the stick to either side. One side is positive, the other is negative.
2. under the CCPM mixing: (several questions)
they are all set to 60%. is that a normal percetage? what happens if you raise or lower all 3 channels? what would happen if you raised or lowered only one? what does that percentage represent?
CP2 and CP3 are aileron and elevator, they should usually be the same. CP6 is collective, it can be different. These are CCPM travel adjustments.

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01-26-2007 06:28 PM  10 years agoPost 9
STANG KILLA SS

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so ive only got 60% swash movement?

question #3 if there set at 60%
ie. if i give full left aileron, the swash will only tilt 60% what its capable of? even though the travel adjustments are all set to 100%?

question #4
in seting up the idle up throttle pitch(stunt mode DX6 calls it)
it goes "TLS" (throttle curve, low position [point 1], stunt [idle up]) set at 100%
then goes to "T2S" (thottle curve, middle position [point 2], stunt [idle up]) set at 90%

then it goes back to TLS the low position!
the book shows it should go to "THS" (throttle, high, stunt) but it doesnt. it goes scrolls back to low position. it had a high position in the "normal" mode. does it know that stunt mode/idle up the low and high positions need to be the same? and automatically do this?

can someone confirm there DX6 is missing "THS" like mine? even though the book specifially shows it should be there (page 80)

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01-26-2007 07:35 PM  10 years agoPost 10
Darren Lee

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question #3 if there set at 60%
ie. if i give full left aileron, the swash will only tilt 60% what its capable of? even though the travel adjustments are all set to 100%?
60 is a good place to start. Swash tilt is limitied by mechanical binding, not the radio.
question #4
in seting up the idle up throttle pitch(stunt mode DX6 calls it)
it goes "TLS" (throttle curve, low position [point 1], stunt [idle up]) set at 100%
then goes to "T2S" (thottle curve, middle position [point 2], stunt [idle up]) set at 90%

then it goes back to TLS the low position!
the book shows it should go to "THS" (throttle, high, stunt) but it doesnt. it goes scrolls back to low position. it had a high position in the "normal" mode. does it know that stunt mode/idle up the low and high positions need to be the same? and automatically do this?

can someone confirm there DX6 is missing "THS" like mine? even though the book specifially shows it should be there (page 80)
As quoted from page 80, "in stunt mode, the high position of the throttle curve is preset to 100%, and is not adjustable." I think it's a typo that it shows THS. It does not exist.

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01-26-2007 08:07 PM  10 years agoPost 11
STANG KILLA SS

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great info! thanks i guess after the twelveth time reading it my mind was only seeing what it wanted to

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01-27-2007 03:26 AM  10 years agoPost 12
Rotor Monkey

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Can anyone tell me if this info is the same for the DX7??? Im frustrated as hell with mine. I have the normal mode set up with throttle and pitch curves so i can fly in normal mode. I havent figured out how to set the pitch in stunt 1 or 2 so that i can acheive inverted flight. I cant seem to find anywhere that alows negative pitch. Is this something i have to set up with the servo horns or does the radio take care of this?. Right now all my servo horns are positioned to where the horn is in the middle of the servo throw and the swash is level (this is set at normal more). any help would be great cuz i realy wanna fly upside down!

go big, go fast....or go home

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01-29-2007 05:48 PM  10 years agoPost 13
STANG KILLA SS

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dumb question:
how do you tighten the belt?
i see no tensioner? the book just seems to stop after "prepare 4 micro servos" its like you on your own after that

do you just loosen the boom pincher blocks and slide the boom out? making the distance between pullies longer and tightening the belt?

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01-29-2007 06:00 PM  10 years agoPost 14
Darren Lee

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do you just loosen the boom pincher blocks and slide the boom out? making the distance between pullies longer and tightening the belt?
Yes

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01-29-2007 06:13 PM  10 years agoPost 15
glucoseboy

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accelerator said:

Probably a lame reply but can you just switch the servo leads in the reciever?

Answer: No: 3 wires in the servo lead are power, ground, and pulse. You cannot flip them around and expect it to work.

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01-29-2007 07:03 PM  10 years agoPost 16
STANG KILLA SS

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ug this is getting frustrating. now the nothing works. ie inputs on transmitter do nothing to the heli. no responce

when i plug the battery in i get nothing. no led on hte reciever, no responces. nothing
so i tried this binding thing. plug the binding plug into the bat port, and the battery into an empty slot. i get a flashing red (or yellow not sure im color blind) LED. the book says i should get a BLUE flashing LED. so then i press the bind button on the back and turn on the transmitter. it says wait 5 seconds and both TX and RX LEDs should go solid green. the trasmitter seems to, but the reciever just keeps blinking red. and still no interacion.
ive tryed it several times. any ideas?
it was working when i left friday. but i let the transmitter go super dead, and accidently left the battery pluged into the reciever. ive recharged both. i cant get anything to happen.
any ideas?

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01-29-2007 07:03 PM  10 years agoPost 17
accelerator

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No not the individual wires but the channels. If I remember corectly when setting up my 450, I found that I couldn't get it to work right-something was backwards so I just swapped 2 servo leads around and it fixed the problem.

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01-29-2007 08:13 PM  10 years agoPost 18
Rob_T

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under the CCPM mixing: (several questions)
they are all set to 60%.
Because CCPM is achieved with mixing 3 channels, if you had 100% on all 3 mixes the total would be 300% when all channels were at their maximum (and -300% at the other extreme). The radio can only transmit a maximum of 150%, so setting the mixes to 60% gives you the maximum usable input. Any channel total over 150% is limited at 150, so the servo stops moving and you start get swash interactions between different channels.

(Why is it 60% and not 50%? Thats because CCPM isn't quite as simple as adding the 3 channel positions together- only half the elevator input is fed to each aileron servo, so the aileron servos see 60+60+30 which is 150, which as I said is the maximum).

Probably way more detail than you wanted , but that's why...

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01-29-2007 08:20 PM  10 years agoPost 19
STANG KILLA SS

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can someone answer my question 3 posts above?

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01-29-2007 08:28 PM  10 years agoPost 20
slider46

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Put a pich guage on your flybar paddle, throttle stick in middle, give full stick forward travel and you can verify the full cyclic input when you flybar is in the front. You should be at 6* pitch. Assuming you have 0* pitch at mid stick....

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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