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01-23-2007 11:17 PM  10 years agoPost 1
funflyer2006

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Ok guys I really need your help on this one. For an english class I am writing a paper on r/c heli's, talk about the materials used, elctronics, mechanical setup and what not. But I also want to talk about the beginning of the hobby so I can tell how things evolved into what they are today. I need credible websites, sorry wikipedia and quotes from you guys won't work. Its not that I don't trust you, its that my professor won't. Any good websites would be very appreciated.

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01-23-2007 11:23 PM  10 years agoPost 2
brooksnb

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I need credible websites,
OOOOH ..dangerous ground there....

How about incredible

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01-23-2007 11:25 PM  10 years agoPost 3
funflyer2006

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Lol, I don't think it will work, but I know some of you guys out there are pretty knowledgable. I'm looking for what they were made of, how they worked, what electronics were used, but I need evidence that suggests that it is a credible source.

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01-23-2007 11:28 PM  10 years agoPost 4
brooksnb

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I think a similar question was asked/answered here about a year ago...try a few searches...so will I to see if that thread can be found.

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01-23-2007 11:29 PM  10 years agoPost 5
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Contact Colin Mill he's about as credible as you can get in this hobby!!

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01-23-2007 11:31 PM  10 years agoPost 6
brooksnb

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Here's one thread..
http://runryder.com/helicopter/t307...hlight=inventor

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01-23-2007 11:34 PM  10 years agoPost 7
AV8TOR

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The link is in German but translate the page with BabbleFish and you will be treated to a fine history with lots of classic photos and his story.
http://www.dieterschlueter.de/start.htm

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01-23-2007 11:53 PM  10 years agoPost 8
rstacy

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PM Tmoore
He can tell you everything that you want to know.
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01-24-2007 12:34 AM  10 years agoPost 9
TMoore

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As far as websites are concerned I'm not sure where you might find the references you are looking for but if you search the back issues of American Aircraft Modeler later known as Model Aviation (http://www.modelaircraft.org)you may find some information there.

Dieter Schluter is the father of the modern model helicopter hobby but he had several contemporaries like Mr. Oki of Japan who ran Kalt and build Cobras under license from Schluter, Herr Bisterfield who created a very good looking model of a Jet Ranger which Franz Kavan modeled his Jet Ranger after and there were a host of modelers like Dave Youngblood, Faye Peoples, Gene Rock, John Burkham, John Gorham, John Simone Jr.,Horace Hagen, Ray Hostetler, Dave Gray, Mike Mas and Walt Schoonard to name a few that really got the heli hobby moving in the early years.

To get a sense of the history of the model helicopter hobby you need to pick up a copy of Dieter Schluter's Model Helicopter Handbook. This is a very good reference piece on the early years and it can offer a keen sense of the period. Dieter Schluter always put out marvelous catalogs that really recapped the hobby in terms of what was going on in Europe and America. His book along with magazine articles of the period can give you a real flavor for the time.

The internet changed the way that this hobby used to be and it's no doubt been for the betterment of the entire industry.

TM

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01-24-2007 01:43 AM  10 years agoPost 10
alvinrc

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Old Choppers

Here are a couple of pages from Dieter Schluter's "Radio Controlled Helicopter Manual" just to give you an idea of what they were playing around with back in the olden days. Some heavy thinking and metal work being done.

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01-24-2007 02:44 AM  10 years agoPost 11
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Great info. I am impressed how everyone is helping out here. Anyone who says RR is not a positive web site is dead wrong!

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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01-27-2007 01:13 AM  10 years agoPost 12
gigi

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Wow!

Boy, after having seen those pictures, I want a copy of Dieter Schluter's book! Those guys did great mechanical stuff without all the modern electronic mixers on the computer radios...

Great post, TMoore. And I bet you wrote that without looking up a single name in a book. Thumbs up!

There are also at least 2 and possibly 3 articles on model helicopter's history in Model Heli World... I don't remember the issues, but they are definitely within the last 6-7 months.

Gigi

My heli spending has gone way down since I got a Honda 919 :-)

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01-27-2007 01:30 AM  10 years agoPost 13
TMoore

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If you want to get a real feel for what it was like in the early days, the AMA used to sell a video tape called "The Choppers". It was a little history of the early years with men like Dieter Scluter, Ernie Huber and a host of others and it really gives you a flavor for what the hobby was like back then.

If the AMA wouldn't get bent out of shape I could transfer it to Windows WMV format and post it but the tape is copyrighted so I would need permission.

TM

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01-27-2007 01:38 AM  10 years agoPost 14
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Terry I used to fly with Faye Peoples, he was big into gliders and used to fly his scratch built (yep, SCRATCH BUILT) heli at the field, he's the only one that ever got my Revolution off the ground more than 3 inches.

Andy
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01-27-2007 01:40 AM  10 years agoPost 15
TMoore

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I haven't seen Faye in a long time. He brought one of his scratch built machines to Ircha one year when it was in Columbus if my memory serves me correctly or it might have been at the Tangerine. Gene Rock and Dave Youngblood scratch built machines as well.

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01-27-2007 02:05 AM  10 years agoPost 16
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Here are pics of my first heli a schluuter miniboy I think it was the late 70's.... They were built of Aluminum and plywood, no gyros no servo reversing, no radio mixing, everything was mechanical and setup was the only way to get it to fly at all... But it was a handful at all times during a flight..If you need more info let me know...

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-27-2007 02:24 AM  10 years agoPost 17
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This isn't specifically R/C helicopters, but the early history of helicopters in general

So before there was R/C, there were just free-flight toys.

Without these, we wouldnt have helicopters. And without helicopters, we wouldnt have RC helicopters. Without RC helicopters, we wouldnt have RR. And without RR.... What would Mark do with Himself?

from: http://www.helis.com/pioneers/
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The first concept of rotary wing aviation came from the Chinese in the fourth century A.D.
A book called "Pao Phu Tau" tells of the "Master" describing flying cars (fei chhe) with wood from the inner part of the jujube tree with ox-leather straps fastened to returning blades as to set the machine in motion (huan chien i yih chhi chi). This is the first recorded pattern of what we might understand as a helicopter.

The technology needed to create a helicopter had not been produced yet but the concept of rotary wing aviation had unquestionably been found.
- John Fay

The evolution

400 BC : Chinese tops

A toy, consisted of feathers at the end of a stick, which was rapidly spun between the hands to generate lift and then released into free flight. These toys were probably inspired by observations of the autorotating seeds of trees such as the Sycamore.
1480 : Leonardo Da Vinci 's Helical Air Screw

"...I have discovered that a screw-shaped device such as this,
if it is wellmade from starched linen,
will rise in the air if turned quickly..."
Leonardo Da Vinci - Codice Atlantico

His theory for "compressing" the air and obtain lift was substantially similiar to that for today ´s helicopters.

Often been cited as the first serious attempt to produce a working helicopter, Da Vinci 's was only an experimental design and was never put into practical use. Was clearly far ahead of its time, but without adequate technology the ability to create such machines was virtually impossible.
His sketch of the aerial screw or air gyroscope device is dated to 1483 but it was first published nearly three centuries later.
A scale model (currently exposed at the Science Museum of London) recently built with the original Da Vinci plans was not successful to raise itself in flight.


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From: http://www.chinamaze.com/article250.html
(the celebrated inventions of Ancient China)

The Helicopter Rotor & Propeller. While the Ancient Chinese didn’t actually invent the helicopter, they were involved in its creation. In the 4th century A.D., they invented a toy called the “Bamboo Dragonfly”. You’ve probably seen them as prizes at local fairs or carnivals. It was a toy top, with a base like a pencil and a small helicopter-like blade at the end. The top was wrapped with a cord. When you pulled the cord, the blade would spin around and soar into the air. This toy was studied by Sir George Cayley in 1809 and played a role in the birth of modern aviation. It wasn’t until the early 1900’s that the first helicopter took flight.

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01-27-2007 02:49 AM  10 years agoPost 18
slider46

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He has us doing his homework for him, I bet he's in political science, a future senator....

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-27-2007 05:04 AM  10 years agoPost 19
dkshema

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DuBro Whirlybird, the first commercially available RC Helicopter kit:

That's from the gallery of Helicopterjohn here on RR. He has very good pics in his gallery. Scoll down a bit to "nostalgia", you'll see lots of pics of early machines being flown by those people TMoore named.

Here's a link to the assembly manual of the DuBro Whirlybird 505 ---

http://runryder.com/helicopter/gallery/4171/505002.pdf

The flying instructions in the back of the manual were written by Dave Gray, the developer of this kit.

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01-27-2007 06:45 PM  10 years agoPost 20
dkshema

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You asked what electronics were used.

I used a Futaba FP-5FN airplane radio. I still have the radio. If it weren't for the fact it's not narrow band, I'd still use it for planes. It was a basic radio, no computer wizardry in those days. A simple AM radio system, four servos. Gyros didn't exist, governors didn't exist, there were no pitch or throttle curves.

AS an aside, today there are people who tell you that the only radio you should fly in a helicopter is a PCM system (or the new DX7) as those PPM (FM) systems are useless. Consider the fact that most, if not all early helis were successfully flown using nothing more than AM radios. Those machines were all metal for the most part, and glitches were not the rule of the day.

If you had a collective pitch helicopter such as the Heliboy or Miniboy, throttle to collective to tail rotor compensation mixing was all done mechanically. For instance, the tail rotor was driven through a bellcrank mounted on a slot in the MR pitch control lever. The tail rotor servo was connected to one end of the bellcrank, the TR pushrod to the other end. The pivot for the bellcrank was screwed into a slot on the pitch lever. TR compensation mixing was adjusted by loosening the pivot bolt and sliding the bellcrank up or down in that slot till you got decent TR correction for pitch changes. Up in the canopy, the collective and throttle functions shared a single servo, mixing there was accomplished by driving the pitch and throttle off different points along another bellcrank.

For your paper, you might want to consider that there are a lot of flyers here on RR who cut their RC helicopter teeth on those early machines and they are not only a part of RC helicopter history, they are very good first-hand sources of the kind of information you're looking for.

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