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01-23-2007 10:50 PM  10 years agoPost 1
slider46

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Ocala Florida

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I took my XL with the jet ranger body on it outside today because it was getting close to 30 out, and I figured I'd get a quick flight or 2 in.... Spool up and go into a hover make a right turn and then a left and the heli starts to spin, I got it back down with out breaking anything. The arm an the side of the plastic tail case snapped off....put it away and got the SE out.. I figured it's all metal shouldn't be a problem. I ran 2 packs thru it and everything held up good....
I just finished up the SA today and it was reay for it's maiden hover I took it outside to have some room to hover it... 3 minutes into the first hover going from side to side quickly the tail lets go... this time it was the plastic pitch slider yoke arm snapped off. Didn't break anything but I have just about had it with plastic parts on the tail......
The worst part is the xl and SA tails are different so I can't swap parts back and forth... anybody else have problems with the plastic parts in the cold????? Who has SA parts available ???

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-23-2007 11:19 PM  10 years agoPost 2
smcbmw

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Louisville, Kentucky

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I have found that the plastic parts are not real cold weather friendly. I broke my flybar control just trying to fix my flybar in the cold weather. I have finally replaced my tail with the metal upgrade .

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01-23-2007 11:26 PM  10 years agoPost 3
slider46

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I'm looking at metal parts right now. I just hate to spend 140 bucks on tails for these 2 birds right now. I guess they will be warm weather fliers from now on till I can upgrade the plastic tail parts....

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-23-2007 11:29 PM  10 years agoPost 4
smcbmw

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Yeah, thats alot of money to spend especially when they are not breaking due to crashes. The cold is giving my align gyro problems and I hate to spend the cash on a 401 right now. I get a flight in before it starts acting up. By that time I am ready to go in and get warm myself.

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01-23-2007 11:32 PM  10 years agoPost 5
slider46

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So far the 401 gyros are good but the heli gets really cold fast and you can tell the difference in just a couple of minutes of being outside... come on spring....

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-23-2007 11:35 PM  10 years agoPost 6
smcbmw

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Louisville, Kentucky

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I have broke two sets of align bump resistant gear due to the cold. Not really hard crashes and they broke!!!! LHS had regular gear and I boiled them and they seem to be holding up pretty good. I heard that boiling them helps to strengthen them. I don't know if that would work with the tail parts or not????

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01-23-2007 11:39 PM  10 years agoPost 7
slider46

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Ocala Florida

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IF I was crashing or hitting things I expect parts to break and understand thats part of flying helis but the SA has just come out off the bench today and the tail parts broke. Both are the control arm related too....

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-23-2007 11:52 PM  10 years agoPost 8
smcbmw

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Louisville, Kentucky

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Can't say I have had that problem. I wish most of my problems were weather related and not pilot error...

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01-24-2007 12:03 AM  10 years agoPost 9
Evan450

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Manhattan, KS

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SA tail parts and cold weather gyro stuff

I agree that the stock tial slider lever is junk! I have broken 2 one in a minor tail rotar strike on carpet (better the arm then the servo tho) and the other was putting on a ball link. If you notice the 'bend' in the lever on the heli side (not on the tail side) this 'bend' even tho poored is a big strengh problem. I am going to purchase a full cnc alum tail from MH this week (the pro version) its about 100 bones but i think it might be worth it. Parts are peiced out pretty well too.

I just did my first outdoor flight today, just happened to be 33*, MAN, what gyro problems!!!!!! I guess after reading this forum i can learn the cold reall really really really effects that little align gyro. WHAT A BUMMER! I want to upgrade the tail assy first, but then a gyro upgrade. I guess the cold problem is to be expected, but i don t know why! Does anyone here know why that happens????

Also is cold weather flying bad on motor or esc. My bird and equip where in my warm truck until i got to the parkinglot. I even plugged int he bird in the truck to let the gyro set but right at spool up i needed an extra 33 points of subtrim (HH mode) and full left trim to get her even close to holding! I set up the gyro in living room (wife wasnt sooooo happy) where it is warm... Is that why?

anyway food for thought and a few questions....
Evan

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01-24-2007 12:29 AM  10 years agoPost 10
smcbmw

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Cold weather is the problem. My first battery the tail holds solid, then as the gyro starts to get cold, it requires alot of trim on the tx just to get it to hold. Flew mine in a gym a couple of days ago and the tail was solid. I heard that if you set the heli out in the cold for about 45 min (heard this on RR) the gyro will aclimate and operate correctly. I have not tried this....

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01-24-2007 12:35 AM  10 years agoPost 11
Evan450

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acclimation

my only worry then is the re-climatation (pardon the non-word) dealing with condensation on the electronics. I dont THINK that would be a big problem, but i could be. Espcially with all of the bling people are putting on these little machines!

450SA -- Align 35A ESC -- Align 430L 3550K -- Align 500gyro -- Dx7 radio

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01-24-2007 01:21 AM  10 years agoPost 12
leslie

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Hi all,

I'm not surprised at the plastic failing in cold.

Where do you find SA parts?

Cheers,
Leslie

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01-24-2007 01:27 AM  10 years agoPost 13
slider46

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Ocala Florida

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Looks like the tail parts off the XL/SA are the same from what I can see It's hard to figure out what is the newer parts update.....

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-24-2007 01:29 AM  10 years agoPost 14
Rotor Monkey

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Anchorage, AK

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Any of you guys fly when the temp is around 15 degrees? Being in alaska, during the winter a 30 degree day is far and few between..untill spring at least. I noticed that the lipos on my blade cp dont like the cold at all!!!...i get roughly 2min flight. I just got my 450se built with a 401 gyro. The batteries are much larger..maybe il keep them in my shirt pocket and keep them warm untill flight and see if they do any better. I guess il also find out how the 401 performs in the cold. Nice thing about winter flying is ....you can usualy manage to dump you heli in the snowbank instead of a hard surface..i dont break as many parts but its a pain making sure all the electronics dont get wet when you bring it inside..lol

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01-24-2007 01:44 AM  10 years agoPost 15
leslie

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Hi all,

I don't fly when it's in the 'teens' here in New Hampshire, but I will run nitro trucks around in the snow.

I put my ESC and Rx's in a balloon with a zip tie to keep the snow off.

Rotor Monkey, you might give this a try. I'm not sure how to protect the motor.... have to cogitate on that one

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Leslie

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01-24-2007 02:07 AM  10 years agoPost 16
smcbmw

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Louisville, Kentucky

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It's about30 here in the bluegrass state and my batts don't react any different but the gyro gives me fits. I have only had this bird awhile and only flown in cold weather. I figure if I can keep it steady now, summer should be a piece of cake...

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01-24-2007 06:19 AM  10 years agoPost 17
Rotorhead

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Spokane, WA

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I have had a few cold weather woes recently with my SA and just found out some interesting info on lipos and cold weather. Evidently charging to 4.2v per cell while below 32°F or moving the cell charged to 4.2v to freezing temps will drastically shorten it's life. It's the same as overcharging. There is a thread over at Helif***k that discusses this. Thunder Power states the operating temperature of cells should be above 32°F and never stored below 20°F in the safety warning sheet on the site. Keeping them at room temp will make them usable from my experience. Live and learn, pay to play

http://www.thunderpower-batteries.c...etyWarnings.pdf

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01-24-2007 10:56 AM  10 years agoPost 18
Darren Lee

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Woodstock, GA

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I just did my first outdoor flight today, just happened to be 33*, MAN, what gyro problems!!!!!! I guess after reading this forum i can learn the cold reall really really really effects that little align gyro. WHAT A BUMMER! I want to upgrade the tail assy first, but then a gyro upgrade. I guess the cold problem is to be expected, but i don t know why! Does anyone here know why that happens????
You are not letting the gyro acclimate to the temperature. If you take the heli from a warm car out into the cold and start flying, your tail will not hold very well. Same thing happens in the summer, going from air conditioning out into the hot sun. Let the heli sit outside for about 10 minutes first.

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01-24-2007 07:00 PM  10 years agoPost 19
keyz

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agreed beeflyer2 , let them get use to the cold
but one thing no one has mentioned and i am supprised at is the ball links , they get very brittle in the cold , they will snap as soon as look at them
the only solution i have come up with when its real cold out is to either make some upgrades or improve on the sim
to be fair im not keen on flying very cold weather anyway
1 other thing i would like to add about electrics condensating .....i have landed a picco pro and a trex in a koi pond before now (not my fault), dried them out and they worked no probs (obviosly had to change blades , spindle ect) but they worked fine !

If you need to get high , go and fly !

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01-24-2007 10:11 PM  10 years agoPost 20
Rotor Monkey

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Anchorage, AK

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I have several RC float planes that i fly all over in the summer up here....and as they say "what goes up...must come down"..and its not always as prety as you like it to be. Ive dumped several of my planes in the lake, these are all nitro planes..but they probly sat underwater for about 5 min. untill i could get on the jetski to retrieve them. I dont use balloons on the receiver or the batts and as long as i let them dry for a good 24 hrs before attempting to see if they still work they do just fine. Im still using the same receiver in one plane thats been in the drink 3-4 times with no problems. The key is to make sure you turn them off as fast as possible..and never put power to them until you are certain they are dry. Granted im not sure what a heli motor/electronics would do in water when they are powered by lipos....... But i bet im going to find out!

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