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01-22-2007 08:53 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Thomashome

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I am posting this on behalf of a PC illiterate friend who had a Swift and is after a speed controller. He has a Neu motor that he wants to run on 6S.

He's been advised to go for a 55-6-18 Jazz or a Jeti opto 70 (the 6s one), I would have though both would be fine.

Any thoughts?

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01-22-2007 09:23 PM  10 years agoPost 2
SRH990

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I'm doing pretty well with a CC Phoenix 60, even the governor mode seems to work well.

Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Beam E4

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01-22-2007 09:34 PM  10 years agoPost 3
Thomashome

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Did think about CC but I've had experience with a P35 and P45 and they both would shut down when the going got a bit tough.

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01-22-2007 09:56 PM  10 years agoPost 4
Ronald Thomas

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Yes, they will shut down but only if you drive them beyond what they were intended to drive. I have had great luck with my CC60 and so has my friend I fly with. They are especially easy when you use the Castle Link. Ron

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01-22-2007 10:44 PM  10 years agoPost 5
Syclic

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Most quality brand ESC's will work well with it.

On one of mine (now has over 200 flights) I have the Century 55A unit. It has proven to be faultless using 4 cell, 5 cell and 6 cell lipo, doing 3D.

The other one (now has about 120 flights) has the Century 80A Esc - again been faultless. I have run them in governor mode and with throttle curves of 100/90/80/90/100 - worked as well both ways.

I think that as long as any good ESc is working close to 100 percent or in governor mode, and the motor is geared properly for the rotor speed desired and the load the desired blades will be, they will all do very well.

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01-22-2007 11:47 PM  10 years agoPost 6
AV8TOR

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I think that as long as any good ESc is working close to 100 percent or in governor mode, and the motor is geared properly for the rotor speed desired and the load the desired blades will be, they will all do very well.
Ditto on that.

FWIW I am using a Castle Creations HV-45

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01-23-2007 07:45 AM  10 years agoPost 7
Deem

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i've tested/flight at century-electron55/70, jeti70opto, cc phenix80. for me the best is cc phenix. more 100 flyes and two seriosly crashes - not a problems for esc. now i'm planning go to "high" voltage (8-10 lipo/liion)with cc-esc too (hv-type)

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01-23-2007 06:28 PM  10 years agoPost 8
Syclic

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Deem,

What is the diiferences that you found when operating your Swift with the ESC's that you mentioned that gave you the opinion that the CC80 was "the best"? What made it better then the others?

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01-23-2007 08:18 PM  10 years agoPost 9
Deem

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syclic

all is simple:
1. cc - wery simple and full programming from pc + simply updating of firmly softwere. electron55 have not this option, for jeti-haker you mast have special addition devise.
2. cc - good proofing for power owerload. with cc80 two times i've crashed with main rotor to ground - esc was off automaticly. with electron55 i've carried the heli of head, and is casual on 1/8 have shifted stick of throttle - from esc the smelly grey smoke - and everything has appeared, the death, is not under repair.
for me it's enought.

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01-24-2007 01:08 AM  10 years agoPost 10
Syclic

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Deem,

Thank you for the explanation. Those are two features of consequence. But wether they are worth twice the price, I guess is for each of us to decide.

I find the Electron 55 does the job I want it to do just fine so I see do not find the software updating option to be all that positive an advantage.

I do find the overload shut-off feature a worthy one, but I guess there must be some scottish in my blood as I would just as soon put an appropriate fuse inline with the motor for $5.00 and save the other $60.00

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01-24-2007 03:38 AM  10 years agoPost 11
pulsar110

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i have been using a CC80 and running in gov mode. its great. another option that i didnt see meantioned is the align that is for the Trex 600. its like $80 and flys my trex just fine so the swift would be cakewalk for it.

Fly it like its a rental...

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01-24-2007 07:36 AM  10 years agoPost 12
Deem

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syclic,
thank you for answer!
you've good experience with electron-esc! for myself i've decided - to pay more on 80 dollars (even 2 times - for two models) and to not have problems on the future.
good flights!

www.rcheli.com.ua

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01-24-2007 07:59 AM  10 years agoPost 13
airbearma

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I smoked my Century 55 on the 2nd powerup (6s Emoli). I replaced it with a CC45-HV and now run 7s Emoli without any issues.

The Bear in the Air...

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01-24-2007 07:03 PM  10 years agoPost 14
Syclic

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Deem,

Yes, I use the Century Electron 55A and 80A units. I find they work very well in governor mode or with 100/90/80/90/100 curves.

The first 55A I had smoked. But that was due to my ignorance. I had not read the instructions completely and was using a seperate RX battery pack with an FP6S1P pack.

The instructions are clear in that when doing so one must remove the red wire from the throttle lead to the RX. I had failed to do so.

Airbearma

With your 6 e-moli pack, how was it configured - with or without a seperate pack?

The 6 e-moli is a very marginal power pack for the Swift?

Did you use the governor mode or a throttle curve?

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01-25-2007 04:55 PM  10 years agoPost 15
Wheelhaus

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If you want to go high voltage (over 6s) you'll need a high voltage ESC. Typically higher voltage will use less amps to do the same job, so gear down a bit. If you need 800 watts for sport flight, you'll be pulling about 55 amps from a 4s pack. If you use a 6s pack, you'll only need about 36a from the battery to achueve 800w. an 8s pack only needs 27a for 800w.

Higher voltage lets you pull more power (watts) for the same amp draw, but you need the right ESC. For the Swift, you'll need about 400w to hover, about 800w to get good sport flight, and anything over 1000w is just pure fun. You might need a lower Kv motor to run higher voltage, or you might needs to drop som eteeth from the pinion to keep the headspeed the same.

Determine what your goals are, then you can pick an ESC to fit. I like the CC line because they're inexpensive and they work. They are also very programmable so you can get exactly what you want out of it.

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Dave

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02-01-2007 02:37 AM  10 years agoPost 16
airbearma

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Syclic

When I first bought my Swift, I was planning on 6s Flightpower 3700. After reading more about emoli's I decided to give them a try so I made my first pack 6s because of my Electron 55A.

I felt safest using a seperate RX pack so I cut the pos lead from the ESC throttle plug (removed an inch of the wire to eliminate the possibility of the cut ends shorting.

I had it set for throttle curve as the Swift was still new (only 1 flight on it) and I was fairly noob with helis.

The 55A smoked right after I plugged the emoli onto it.

Since my 55A was toast and my desire to use emolis for safety reasons, I bought a CC45-HV and did all the rest of my emolis as 7s.

My replacement 55A is slated for use in a new plank...lol

The Bear in the Air...

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02-01-2007 04:34 AM  10 years agoPost 17
rcmarty

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Get a CC ph45hv esc. run version 1.52 software (1.55 has had some burning up incidents lately)

There rated 45amps but will take 60 amp pokes without issue.

Then when you want more power (who doesn't ?) you can go up to 12 cell lipos !

I'm running a 1910/1.5y on 9 cell emoli's, goes just like my raptor 50 hyper on 30%cp

I also mounted the packs up front with a high cg , rolls so nice now I'm going to lipos this year if anyone is interested in the packs and mount.

Martin

What goes up will come down.... one way or another !

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02-01-2007 04:30 PM  10 years agoPost 18
Wheelhaus

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I wouldn't reccomend the 45HV for 4s or 5s running a high amp motor (like the 600+). You could easily blow past 60a. I wouldn't reccomend the 45HV for anything less than 6s.

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Dave

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02-01-2007 10:37 PM  10 years agoPost 19
aerton

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I bought HV85 and it worked great. Governor mode, I didn't like. Seams like my swift was overpowered in it, so I flew with curves and it worked great. The only issue I had with them is the electroincs and capacitors should not touch anything on the heli except insulation tape that holds the hv in place. Because I used to mount it with electronics towards the battery plate and a small cube there disconnected. Then my canopy was touching the capacitors and 1 capacitor disconnected. Just pay attention I guess as with any ESC that electronics don't touch anything.

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02-01-2007 11:54 PM  10 years agoPost 20
Wheelhaus

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aerton, that only means the gov was setup improperly. You may have set it too high. CC's gov works wonderfully unless you have an old software revision. The newer updates work great. v1.52 works very well, and supposedly 1.55 works well, too.

v1.53 and v1.54, not so much.

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Dave

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