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01-22-2007 08:24 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Cybinary

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Hi Guys,
I just recently got a Rex450SEV2 and am loving flying it after learning on my blade. I have a JGF450 with a CC35 and a 13t pinion and it runs great. But while I was looking over a few of the settings on the ESC (Looking at what I could tweek to run better) I starting looking more and more into the built in governor on these ESCs.

How many out there that run a Gov enabled ESC, CC/Jazz, enable the Gov and use it instead of using the radios TH Curves?

"Gravity is a Harsh Mistress!"

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01-22-2007 08:35 PM  10 years agoPost 2
BrainDrain_dx

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Wichita KS

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Jazz gov setup = turn on gov mode , draw a straight line throttle curve, go fly, be happy

cc gov setup = turn on gov high, draw a straight line throttle curve, monkey with settings, turn on gov low, monkey with settings,monkey with some more settings, go back to gov high, monkey with more settings, realize its not a jazz, put back to non gov mode and go fly, be happy

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01-22-2007 09:18 PM  10 years agoPost 3
Cybinary

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So your saying dont mess with Gov mode on CC ESC then?

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01-22-2007 09:43 PM  10 years agoPost 4
KamikaziRcPilot

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The governor mode on the CC35 works great. Originally, BrainDrain_dx's description was fairly accurate, but now that the firmware has been upgraded and enough people have learned the correct sequence in setting it up, it's not difficult at all. Unfortunately, not everyone can afford to drop $165 on a Jazz. I already had a CC35 and couldn't justify purchasing another ESC.

The overview on Castle's webpage where you download firmware updates gives you the basic steps. I'm working on a document that provides step-by-step instructions for all of the CC35 settings. Pm me and I'll send you copy when it's ready.

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01-22-2007 10:12 PM  10 years agoPost 5
Cybinary

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Thanks KamikaziRC...that would help!

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01-22-2007 10:16 PM  10 years agoPost 6
Jag72

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Castle ESC's

I use a lot of castle esc's...got about 6 of them right now ...

I never used the Gov modes until this weekend...there is a tricky procedure that you need to follow to get the setup just right...

I was on the phone with Joe at Castle this morning for about 20 minutes while he explained to me how to set it up properly...

You need to set your endpoints up just right for the gov mode to work right....I was maxxing out at 35% so I realized something was wrong...I'm going home tonight to see if what he told me to do works...

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01-22-2007 10:27 PM  10 years agoPost 7
KamikaziRcPilot

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Hey Jag72!

Can you share what Joe divulged on the phone? I'd like to compare that to what I'm putting together.

Thanks!

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01-22-2007 11:45 PM  10 years agoPost 8
dkshema

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If you intend to use the CC governor mode, use the Phoenix Link cable to download the newest software. The software that ships in the stock ESC doesn't do a very good job when it comes to governor modes. The new stuff available on the CC website does.

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01-22-2007 11:50 PM  10 years agoPost 9
Awais

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Mississauga, Ontario - Canada

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I've been using governor on CC35 on my trex for a while. It works great with the latest firmware. I've used both 420lf and 430l motors.

Awais

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01-23-2007 02:09 PM  10 years agoPost 10
Jag72

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GOV mode...

You do need to download the latest version of the firmware...it has a pretty good slow spool up....

You need to set your end points up first in :"fixed heli endpoints" mode...

basically you need to set your throttle travel adjust to 50% and then put the throttle stick to "high" and power up the heli...slowly bring the travel closer to 100% until you hear a single confirmation tone....then unplug the battery...you then need to set your low travel ...

to do this power up the heli with the throttle stick at "low" and slowly bring the travel for the throttle from 100% closer to 0...when you hear the esc engage the motor then you know the low point is set....after you have done this then you need to go back and put the ESC in Gov mode...

For some reason my Logo 14 seems to max out at 35% in gov Mode...

Looks like I will be back on the phone with Castle Creations today...

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01-23-2007 02:28 PM  10 years agoPost 11
KamikaziRcPilot

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Jag72:

Actually, in gov high mode, that could be normal. In fixed mode, the throttle value in the radio directly corresponds to the position within the 0-100 range like you'd think it would. But in gov mode, the throttle value in the transmitter is merely giving it a value to use for the rpm. In gov low, the value for say a 2800 rpm head speed is in the 80-100 range, whereas in gov high, it's typically in the 30-50 range. I discovered this the hard way when I first started with gov low, and then determined that I needed to switch to gov high. Before setting it to gov high, I adjusted my throttle curves down to 50% figuring that would be low enough. WRONG! When I spooled it up, the head speed shot up about 3400 and it chucked a 325 pro wood blade into my basement stairs carpeting! It did extensive damage to the heli.

I always tell people now that before they switch into any governor mode, to set their throttle curves down to 10 or below, then increment them to get the head speed they want. As long as you set the endpoints in fixed mode properly, then the gov will work fine. The throttle curve values do not correlate to anything in gov mode. Just adjust them to give you the head speed you want.

I like Joe's idea for setting the endpoints better than the way I've been doing it. It's much safer! I'm going to amend my setup instructions.

Thanks...

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01-23-2007 02:38 PM  10 years agoPost 12
kingkahuna

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Utah

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IMPORTANT LESSON Learned! Gov mode on CC35 (FINALY Figured it out!!!!!!)

After screwing with this thing for a month I figured out the best setup. Ok here is the deal if you are using the new CC phoenix 35 enable gov mode high for the Align motor. I have my NORMAL throttle curve set at 75%low 75%mid 95%high (yes you did read that correctly). The reason for the low being set at 75% is because the CC35 instructions tell you to, and you should use your Throttle hold switch to control the on and off of the throttle. (Be absolutely sure the throttle hold is set at 0%). Make sure you set it up like this because the throttle is erratic bellow half throttle, and if you make the fatal mistake of pulling the throttle stick bellow half throttle like I did (thankfully I saved it), you will have to go through the spool up process again.

I hope this helps, my T-Rex is flying like a dream now.

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01-23-2007 02:52 PM  10 years agoPost 13
BrainDrain_dx

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Wichita KS

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"After screwing with this thing for a month I figured out the best setup"
jazz owners say....
"after screwing with my jazz for 3 minutes I figured out the best setup"
I went from fixed to gov on my phoenix 25 and it let out the magic smoke in a couple minutes and died. I'm still bitter (although I use their esc's in all my planes)

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01-23-2007 02:55 PM  10 years agoPost 14
lowflyer101

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cc with the latest firmware and the right setup, it is as good as jazz

<-freedoom flyer->

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01-23-2007 02:59 PM  10 years agoPost 15
Jag72

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Thanks for the info KamikaziRcPilot

I figured the actual percentage really didn't matter but I wasn't sure...good to know though...thanks again...

I am looking to switch to Jazz ESC's in my logo 14's as well...I hear they are much easier and more reliable in GOV. mode...

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01-23-2007 03:03 PM  10 years agoPost 16
KamikaziRcPilot

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Cincinnati, OH

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Hey BrainDrain_dx,

You're not providing anything beneficial to this thread. We are aware that the Jazz's gov mode requires less setup and may work a little better, but there are a lot of people that already have the Phoenix ESC and are willing to spend a little time to set it up properly. Once it's setup, it works excellent.

If you happen to have a Jazz ESC that you're willing to sell for the price of a Phoenix, let me know. I'd like to purchase one for comparison purposes.

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01-23-2007 03:09 PM  10 years agoPost 17
eyeflyhelis

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charlotte nc

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i have 2 cc 35's and never even new they had governors. i cant waitto try and set it up in mine.

only you have the power to make no difference!

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01-23-2007 03:10 PM  10 years agoPost 18
eyeflyhelis

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Jag72 i'll give you $40 for your CC

only you have the power to make no difference!

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01-23-2007 03:17 PM  10 years agoPost 19
Jag72

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Thanks but all my CC esc's are "big ones"

All my castles ESC's are 85HV's.....can't imagine letting one of those go for 40$

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01-23-2007 03:17 PM  10 years agoPost 20
eyeflyhelis

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if you download the new software do you need to reset the fixed end points? i got them set up now & was planning for the download tonight.

only you have the power to make no difference!

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