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01-22-2007 08:15 PM  10 years agoPost 21
gusthepickle

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i remember when i used to fly planks, there were always helis on the run way hoverin and doin what not, we always announced our request to land about 3 to 4 minutes before we actually land to allow the helis to land or move out of the way, then the planks would land, taxi back and then the runway is free again


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01-22-2007 08:22 PM  10 years agoPost 22
shuttlepilot

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Mullins, South Carolina

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I think one thing that scares the guys at one club that I have been to is that some of the 3-D plane pilots get a heli and think they actually know how to fly it. The couple of times that I saw guys flying helis at the club scared me. The were doing what they thought was "3d".....heli flip flopping all over the place, and over the pits Totally flying the pilot instead of the pilot flying it. Always ending is some sort of crash and the plank guys laughing. I think a lot of times helis are mis-represented.

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01-22-2007 08:39 PM  10 years agoPost 23
RAPPYCRASHER

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Fife SCOTLAND UNITED KINGDOM

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Looking at several members galleries I see that they contain both Helicopter and fixed wing Aircraft,when they are at the field with both disciplines of flight do the argue with themselves.
I think not{get put in loony bin for that}if only a couple of mates, still no arguing.
COME ON GUYS LETS GET BACK TO ENJOYING THE HOBBY be it heli/fixed wing/scale or any other type of controlled flying,also be it beginner or experienced be it scale or 3D.
ROLL ON THE HAPPY DAYS

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01-22-2007 09:07 PM  10 years agoPost 24
Barney

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As alvinrc said in his post..

[quote]Don't get me wrong, not always hugs and kisses, but has been workable with a strong application of common sense and courtesy.
Enough of us have come to conclusion that we are a more successful club if we realize that we can't always have it all our own way all the time and a place can be found for everyone.

Thats how it should be...

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01-22-2007 09:07 PM  10 years agoPost 25
Rod H

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Gold Coast Queensland Australia

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We have alternate days

My flying club has alternate days for heli's and planks . On each day we have about 20 flyers and it works perfectly.
Saturday is for planks and Sunday is heli day.
During the week it is Wed planks and Fri heli's.
Our field is set amongst 5000 acres of National Parks and is miles from any housing so we can fly at any time we want without the noise factor worry.
There is nothing to stop a planker or heli flyer flying on any day he wishes but most guys find this system works very well indeed .
I fly both planks and helis and enjoy the best of both worlds.

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01-22-2007 09:17 PM  10 years agoPost 26
Heli88

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Clarkston, MI

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I fly my heli there as if it were a plane...I fly the pattern with the planes
That's no fun, may as well fly a plane then.

I think that at our field we do it best - NO PLANKS allowed.

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01-22-2007 09:58 PM  10 years agoPost 27
SteveH

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I don't always fly with the planes, but have you ever tried it? It's not as easy as it seems and you might even learn something. It's closed attitudes like yours that give the heli flyers the brand they get at some of the fields.

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01-22-2007 10:06 PM  10 years agoPost 28
Portblock

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Van Nuys, CA

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I dont get it, I fly my heli's at the local air field, at first they were not sure about it, becouse there was other heli guys there, and they took up the runway. But I dont take it up any more than a plank.

I go out, I sent it on the runway, and I take off, and I fly, I dont stay over the runway. And when I want to mess around with 3D, I move away from the runway, but not left or right but straight ahead of me, but on the other side of the runway, out of the way of the planks.

I remember I asked them what the normal flight pattern was for them, and I just did it with the heli. Now everyone gets along, and they kinda like the heli's.

The voices in my head can beat up the voices in your head.

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01-22-2007 10:11 PM  10 years agoPost 29
akshaw

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Plymouth Meeting, PA

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To me it's too nerve-racking to fly with planes and I'm sure it's a similar feeling people get for helis when flying planes. They just move too differently. Although I can go and have gone to a field where people fly both I prefer to go to a "heli only" field.

There is no royal road to flying helis but the sim sure helps!

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01-22-2007 10:17 PM  10 years agoPost 30
Heli88

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Clarkston, MI

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I don't always fly with the planes, but have you ever tried it? It's not as easy as it seems and you might even learn something. It's closed attitudes like yours that give the heli flyers the brand they get at some of the fields.
I started RC flying planes. Yes, I have flown my heli in the pattern with planes...I found it to be boring. I am very open minded and I know what I enjoy, thank you very much.

I just prefer to fly at our heli only field.

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01-22-2007 10:24 PM  10 years agoPost 31
rkeith2

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Norco, CA

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Some great ideas here -

I believe I have a good midle ground to stop some complaints and make folks as happy as possible since we do have a heli pad and room for 3D away from the runway for helis as well as planes and announcing take offs and landings for helis as well is a neat idea


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01-22-2007 10:29 PM  10 years agoPost 32
gusthepickle

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Colorado

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thats how one field back in sarasota was, they had 2 runways on either side of the pits, both on the sides. One was heli and one was airplane


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01-23-2007 01:09 AM  10 years agoPost 33
johndale

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Ft Worth Texas

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My rc fling club http://WWW.flygsw.org has a controlline area a grass strip for planks and a heli area. It has taken a long time to calm down the bad air but the problem is called respect. Like one has posted them old timers. Well I am getting close to that stage in life and fly both.And onething everyone did not note is you have the same problem in real aviation I know this because I have been diong real helis for 37 years and airplanes too. But give the OLD plank driver someroom and respect and watch what happens oh yea my field is not letting the large 3D airplanes fly and do things that will hurt anyone. So if you 3d give make sure you donot over fly the wrong are like a new heli guy has done at my field.

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01-23-2007 01:13 AM  10 years agoPost 34
allns47

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Richmond IN.

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When I show up at the field which is only a rc plane club the sh**it hits the fan...All of the guys(older ones) stop flying,,,And then they group under the shelter and talk about how dangerous I am,,I just laugh at them and keep flying....

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01-23-2007 06:17 AM  10 years agoPost 35
Inspector Fuzz

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NLA

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Circle flying and space.

I belong to two clubs in Austin and both have a smaller area reserved for Helis. Both allow helis, the North club is a little more welcoming.
At the North club the area is quite large and you can have some 3D fun while the planes fly out on the runway, which is a little distance away from the heli area.
The South field is a little tighter, but there is plenty room for micros and learing hover/small circuits.
Flying the "pattern" , in my opinion , sucks. No one that goes out and flys left hand circles all the time is ever going to advance regardless of wether they fly an airplane or heli.
The cold, hard truth about learning 3D flying, for heli or plane, is that you need the flight area mostly to yourself or share it with another 3Der.
If you are trying to learn 3D, heli or plane, your best bet is to hit the field at sparsely populated times and agree to "take turns" with the other flyers at the field.
JEFF

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01-23-2007 06:27 AM  10 years agoPost 36
jadams

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I have the same problem at my field. I am now the only member who flies both but primarily Heli's. There are still gripes about the safety of Heli's. I feel that it is mostly a lack of knowledge and give-a-damn. But now it seems that with the introduction of the easy to fly Blades and such, a few members have ventured to fly a heli. One now feels he knows it all cause he can hover a Blade. The PLACKS don't like change.

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01-23-2007 06:37 AM  10 years agoPost 37
enahs

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Rapid City, SD

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I'm lucky that I fly with a bunch of guys that are really laid back. I fly planks and helis and there are no problems with helis. Communication is key.

Whenever I fly my heli, most guys will sit back and watch. Pretty much all of them don't fly helis but enjoy watching. Same thing when I 3D my planks right on the runway. They know I like to do that and typically enjoy watching me fly.

Even when others fly with my heli, communication is key and we stick to the pattern. We have an area dedicated to helis if you want to push it around a bit that is out of the way of the regular pattern.

It makes for a very enjoyable experience.

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01-23-2007 02:02 PM  10 years agoPost 38
tman

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Brownsburg, IN USA

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i agree with enahs. its all about communication and common courtesy. if everybody talks to each other, there aren't as many problems. if you respect the airplane pilots they will respect you, in most cases. i fly both, probably more planes than helis. we dont have any problems in this area at my field. we are actually getting more pilots interested in helis at our field. announce takeoffs and landings, dont hog the whole runway, stay away from the pit area when flying, help new heli guys so they are safe and most important have fun! its a hobby man.

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01-23-2007 08:16 PM  10 years agoPost 39
Flapping Blade

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Notts UK

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Nice thread guys (much better than that one I started ) Moving on....

Communication and courtesy I think is absolutely right.

We have a guy who's flown planks for years (but he's still learning if you know what I mean ) Needs plenty of room and no distractions so that's what we give him.

Another plankster just got a cateract fixed, so needs some space and an occasional transmitter minder. He bought a Raptor last year, he's in his seventies, Top bloke!

It's becoming easier where I fly now as more people have both types and become more experienced. The plank fliers get less concerned about having a completely wide-open landing space and the heli pilots move up and away from the landing spot just next to the pits. They get used to being around each other too.

Other Factors I see:-
1. Noise. Glow helis with the high pitched monotone not far from the pilots and large petrol planes with minimal or basic silencing at almost any altitude. They demand respect and the helis stay mostly down when they are up though.
2. Plank pilots wanting to huddle in a pilots area so they all know who's doing what and heli pilots wanting to scatter all over the flightline as they don't need to know what the next man is doing.
3. How many people want to fly at once. 5 helis and 5 planes on our patch just isn't possible. 5 of anything up at once is about a max sensibly with our one flightline.
4. Learners of one type or other need separation from the rest if there is a mix. Heli wants to bump around in one spot near the ground. Plank wants quiet and a completly free landing or fly-over zone.

There's some good solutions in this thread. I think the noise one is maybe something that is harder to fix in 2007?

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01-24-2007 12:16 AM  10 years agoPost 40
Ken Filloon

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Well, to sum it all up, the answer is

No!

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