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01-22-2007 12:59 PM  10 years agoPost 1
GM1

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I now have about 50 flights on my Stratus FAI conversion to 140 CCPM. The conversion is very simple and straight forward but does require a complete disassembly of the model. To move the bell crank pivots forward, Miniature supplied a drilling jig which bolts to the frame with existing holes to give a rigid base to work from. After drilling a 3mm hole, you rough up the surface and glue on a carbon fiber doubler to reinforce the pivot area. The pivots go through the new hole into a pem nut that is permanently installed. The aileron and collective servos are turned around and the rods are readjusted to the new lengths.
There are two machined pieces that bolt to the swashplate through existing holes and you use the same balls.
I was amazed at the difference in the swash movement with the 140 CCPM. The swashplate moves much more cleanly throughout the entire collective range with almost no observable interaction versus the older 120 where many times you could see the swashplate "dance" in rapid collective movements. That appears to be minimized and set up is greatly simplified.
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01-22-2007 09:58 PM  10 years agoPost 2
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Great to hear!!! Any pics? When wil it be available?

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01-23-2007 02:40 AM  10 years agoPost 3
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If you're not changing the upper frames then why does it need a complete disassembly of the model?

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01-23-2007 12:15 PM  10 years agoPost 4
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Disassembly

You need to have the upper frames on a flat surface to drill the holes without delaminating area around the hole, also to keep carbon dust out of the main shaft bearings (and anything else). I used the disassembly as an opportunity to completely rebuild the model (it's two years old) with new bearings and a thorough cleaning.
I was using production prototype parts so, as far as I know, they may now already be available. I have not yet seen a price on the conversion anywhere though. Call MA in Sorrento FL and ask for a price and availablity.
I'm taking the 140 CCPM model to Clintstone's Birthday Bash in Statesboro GA this weekend for display and (FAI) demo so if you can get there, it'll be around for perusal.
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01-29-2007 07:13 PM  10 years agoPost 5
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Any more info on this?

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01-29-2007 07:37 PM  10 years agoPost 6
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Pictures

I have some pictures of the conversion in my camera at home right now. If Mark still does free Mondays I'll try and load them in my gallery tonight.
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01-29-2007 07:45 PM  10 years agoPost 7
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Free mondays are totaly on, I can't wait to see them!!!

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01-30-2007 02:28 PM  10 years agoPost 8
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Dang!

Sorry, I didn't get home until late last night and posting pics completely slipped my mind. I'll try and get them on as quick as I can.
Gordie

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01-30-2007 02:35 PM  10 years agoPost 9
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Shucks...

Oh well, I'll keep my eyes open.

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01-30-2007 03:35 PM  10 years agoPost 10
Christian

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There is a picture of it on Minair's site -> http://www.miniatureaircraftusa.com...asp?prod=0217-5

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01-30-2007 03:50 PM  10 years agoPost 11
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Thats for an extreme,were talking Stratus here.

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01-30-2007 03:54 PM  10 years agoPost 12
rada70

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how much is the difference in flight? in another word did you notice a big difference in the heli flying characteristics? thanks

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01-30-2007 04:10 PM  10 years agoPost 13
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I was amazed at the difference in the swash movement with the 140 CCPM. The swashplate moves much more cleanly throughout the entire collective range with almost no observable interaction versus the older 120 where many times you could see the swashplate "dance" in rapid collective movements.
Why would it dance less w/ 140 degree CCPM? All 3 servos move equal distance for collective movements irregardless of which ccpm type when there is no cyclic input.

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01-30-2007 04:17 PM  10 years agoPost 14
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The elevator servo has to move further than the other 2 servo's.

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01-30-2007 04:25 PM  10 years agoPost 15
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Not for collective movements...

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01-30-2007 04:27 PM  10 years agoPost 16
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Yes it does for all swashplate movements,because it's further away from the center of the mainshaft.DOUG

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01-30-2007 04:31 PM  10 years agoPost 17
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No it doesn't. For a pure collective move, each ball on the non-rotating part of the swashplate moves the same distance. If it didn't, the swashplate would tilt

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01-30-2007 04:36 PM  10 years agoPost 18
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Thats why 120 ccpm uses a mix to get equal travel. 140 is equal movement.

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01-30-2007 06:09 PM  10 years agoPost 19
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Whatever... Not going to argue anymore.

Anybody else want to chime in?

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01-30-2007 07:16 PM  10 years agoPost 20
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Sorry, missed the Stratus part.

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