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01-22-2007 06:54 AM  10 years agoPost 1
ArmedForces

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Culd somone make a FAI Heli for G3.5 to practice on the sim , I guess the question is. Is it possible to practise FAI on G3.5

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01-24-2007 05:33 PM  10 years agoPost 2
Barney

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I found it very difficult trying the FAI stuff on G3.

Phoenix is much better for that task plus it has a dedicated FAI layout

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01-24-2007 07:34 PM  10 years agoPost 3
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A little bit offtopic but is there somewhere video where people fly FAI?
Thousand video available from 3D but not FAI

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01-24-2007 07:42 PM  10 years agoPost 4
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Good luck. I think it would be a waste of time for anything other than hovering, and even then I doubt it would do much if any good. None of the FAI pilots I know even use a sim for anything other than playing around. About the only use I could see for it would be to help remembering the order of the manuvers.

Mike

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01-25-2007 06:41 AM  10 years agoPost 5
Spacey

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Good luck. I think it would be a waste of time for anything other than hovering, and even then I doubt it would do much if any good. None of the FAI pilots I know even use a sim for anything other than playing around. About the only use I could see for it would be to help remembering the order of the manuvers.
Not quite true good sir. Sure I don't consider myself a top class FAI pilot but to help me get there I've been using Phoenix every night now for the last 3 months to practise. With a little tinkering on the fus heli I got it to fly and feel very much like my Sylphides and if you tweak the weather conditions well it really gets the thumbs practising. As with any sim there is always the problem of depth of view so yes it is difficult to see if you are over the flags on the Phoenix F3C layout but after a while you get used to reading it and you can get it pretty close. I even have fun practising my outbox manuvers on this thing but yes same problems do creep in again with regards to finding your position accurately out there, regardless though the manuvers feel very real in Phoenix and the extra practise at home has shown when I'm at the field. You need some patience on sims to practise F3C and you need to use alot of refferences when practising outbox aerobatics but guess what you essentially do the same in real life. I've requested a box drawn on a scenery for the F3C aerobatic stuff so hopefully we'll see that soon to help with positioning there.

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01-25-2007 08:34 PM  10 years agoPost 6
whirlyspud

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Ok, none of the good Fai pilots that I know use them.
Not as much a dig at you as it is just me being a SMART A$$.
Good luck getting a FAI style run in on any of the sims. Even Pheonix.
Depth perception kills me on the sims. I have a hard time with them when the heli is more than about 75 yards out. Could just be me.
Then again, most of the guys I know don't even like practicing with a lesser machine than what they will fly at a contest. Not much good making a correction on a sim that is not "real". To me it makes for bad habits as much if not more than it will help. I guess in the end it all depends on what level you are at in your flying when you start out on the sim. I think the higher up the ladder you are, the less it will help.

Mike

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01-26-2007 07:17 AM  10 years agoPost 7
Spacey

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Ok ok clearly we have some different opinions on practise and such. The statement of:
Then again, most of the guys I know don't even like practicing with a lesser machine than what they will fly at a contest. Not much good making a correction on a sim that is not "real".
This I definitely think about much differently. We have proven before that even after only 5 flights a heli will start to fly differently. Small changes in weather with the air pressure and moisture in the air will make a heli behave differently, that is even on top quality FAI machines running the latest and greatest bling. The changes are suttle and manageable but we all know very well that there will always be wear and tear on a heli. Dampers go south, links wear out, washout bases retire. It's all part of the game and I don't know anyone that will change all these things after only 5 flights and doing a re-setup and finetune the first three flights only to get two more practise flight then doing it all again.

My point is I look at it as I want to prepare myself for every situation I could find myself in on competition day. At our last major event we took a trip out to the location the event will take place the day before to get the motors setup and get used to the different surroundings at the other field, there was a big mine dump in the background so it was a little challenging keeping your lines straight as the dump wasn't level at all. I only had a full body on my primary machine at the time as funds were limited and during our test flights that day I lost the vertical fin on my body and all this went flying through my tail rotor. As you can imagine this left quite a mess and I had to do some major repair work that night. I managed to get it done but with only 4 hours of sleep left before the competition. As luck would have it we're all human and I neglected to take another hour and make sure I get the heli's CG in the right place, obviously I couldn't test fly it either beforehand so guess what I had to fight an extremely nose heavy model during the comp.

So then in closing I don't see much point in flying only a perfect heli because you don't want to learn any bad habits. I don't think there is such a thing as a perfect heli unless luck is always on your side. In my case I rather want to get my skills up there so I can make any heli look like the perfect heli when I need to. For this playing with the wind conditions and fiddling with the models on Phoenix does the trick really well.

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01-26-2007 01:12 PM  10 years agoPost 8
Barney

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And you guys really wonder why no one is really all that interested in FAI anymore..

Nowadays It's really only for Fat Cats as the FAI requirments have priced 90% of pilots out of the market long before you even put a machine in the Air.

Probably about 6 dedicated pilots in the whole UK fly it regularly these days

Anyway back on topic yes all simulators I have flown have difficulties giving you the true Depth of Field..but don't discount them so lightly as not everyone has the weather/location or budget to fly an FAI machine..

Phoenix out of all the Sims I have had/used/played with has a unique ability in that you can maintain a much better depth of field so when you reach the bottom of a manouvre and/or the ground re-appears, you haven't lost the depth or orientation like happens with other sims. (That includes G3 ground in view setting).

It's not perfect but it's the best so far

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01-29-2007 07:06 AM  10 years agoPost 9
Spacey

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Nowadays It's really only for Fat Cats as the FAI requirments have priced 90% of pilots out of the market long before you even put a machine in the Air.
Hi Barney,

Not quite sure what you mean by that? If you've ever done any form of competition flying and put some effort into it you'll know that it all costs money, lots of it too depending on how you handle it all. I don't think there is a form of competitive flying which is a budget competition, not even control line. I have good friends this side which are very active F3A pilots and I can tell you with convidence that being competitive in that costs the same if not more in the end as F3C flying. I can also assure you that there are ways to keep F3C flying costs to an acceptable level if you look after your machines and do the needed maintanance on the helis, just like you should with any heli/plane. And contrary to popular believes there are definitely machines out there that cost cheaper than your average 3D heli which are competitive right to the top in F3C. I don't know how you can say it's only for Fat Cats like you put it, we are seeing more and more young people getting into the game. Matter a fact I am only 24 years old and my team mate is 15. I have to save up for two months to buy a set of blades and I'm enjoying F3C alot!

Anyways, like you said Phoenix is a long ways from perfect but I think we all agree that we will probably not see a perfect or real simulation of model flying in our lifetimes...ok maybe that's a bold statement. Phoenix is the best option for the job right now though! Untill further notice at least. Hehe

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01-29-2007 07:13 AM  10 years agoPost 10
nivlek

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As with any sim there is always the problem of depth of view
Unless you use some 3D glasses .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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01-29-2007 05:47 PM  10 years agoPost 11
Barney

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Nivlek..Is that the Red/green things that we used to get with our cornflakes?. Seriously though, do you mean the VR headsets?

Spacey.. I agree any form of competition flying is not cheap..but for most of us FAI is seen a 'black art' where having deep pockets is a distinct advantage... 'The soliciters/lawers amongst us'

3D is rightly/wrongly seen a 'busmans' sport where raw talent and skills out weigh the model at the end of the day

At the end of the day it is probably more perception than reality, but the great thing about this sport is, with a little consideration is there is room for us all including plank flyers

Getting back on topic now..LOL..Phoenix works really well with planks too. It is the only sim Iv'e been able to maintain positioning like you would expect at the field

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01-29-2007 06:35 PM  10 years agoPost 12
nivlek

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Actually , if you have an Nvidia graphics card , you can use the red/blue type "anaglyphical" glasses along with their stereo video drivers , and the result isn't too bad . However , you are better off using 3D LCD shutter glasses (http://www.edimensional.com/) .

I used a set of e-dimentional shutter glasses until a couple of months ago , when I changed from a CRT to LCD monitor . Sadly , I have the older version of the glasses which won't work with a LCD display .

The glasses do give good depth of vision and make landing a heli on a table much much easier . I used the glasses with several simulators , including XTR , G2 , G3 and AFPD .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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