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01-22-2007 12:25 AM  11 years agoPost 1
Lowezz

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I have hovering tail in down nicely finally after god knows how many charges and crashes on my cpp. Any suggestions on nose in hovering. It feels imposible to get any kind of hover for me when the nose is facing me. I keep crashing like their was no tommorow. I keep moving the sticks in the wrong direction. I don't even seam to be improving even the slightest when doing this. I just lose it right away! Any suggestions please!

Thnx

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01-22-2007 12:30 AM  11 years agoPost 2
smcbmw

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I took me forever to learn nose-in!!! Simply because crashing and downtime was almost a sure thing.. Spent more time repairing than flying and then I was scared to try nose-in. I got a simulator and I was nose-in hovering within 3 days.. If you havent got one, it is well worth the money.. Buy a simulator. good luck

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01-22-2007 12:54 AM  11 years agoPost 3
cowboychris

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I second the simulator. You'll spend way more time "flying" as opposed to crash and rebuild. Also - move your stick in the direction the heli is drifting. If the helicopter is moving to "your" left, (heli right) push your stick to the left and it will come back to center. Hope this helps.

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01-22-2007 01:16 AM  11 years agoPost 4
Gino CP

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It's down to muscle memory. The more you try, the more you get it. Start from the ground. Do Radd all over again in nose-in. It really is no different from learning tail-in. Remember that time? So learning nose in won't be instant as well. Just keep at it and keep it low.

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01-22-2007 01:47 AM  11 years agoPost 5
slider46

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I would work on side in hovering before going to nose in, it's easier and your going to need to do this first for FF. Once you can do that thru pack after pack with out setting the heli down, try doing some slow figure 8's... Then move on to nose in put the training gear back on and keep it on the floor until you have all the right reflexes to counter act the heli nose in... You have alot of learning to do yet, go with the easier stuff first....

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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01-22-2007 01:55 AM  11 years agoPost 6
Lowezz

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Thnx guys............

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01-22-2007 05:16 AM  11 years agoPost 7
blvdbuzzard

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Southern Calif.

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I was able to do forward flight and cruise it around for a tank without any problems. I woul dabout crash ever time the nose paointed at me. I started doing nose if froma good altitude. That way I could swing the nose around so the tail was in the back. I started doing it every flight. I would do some tail in hovering, then I would hover with the right side facing me. I would then hover with the left side facing me. then I would do my .000001 seconds of nose in. After doing this routine I found I was doing nose in for most of teh flight. After ten flights I got the nose .000001 seconds to 30 seconds, then to half the flight.

When nose in, move the stick the same direction the helicopter is moving. That way you will have it sitting in a hover and not thinking about it. If the helicopter is drifting towards you. move the stick back and it will move away from you. If it moves left, move the stick to the left, and so on.

Dru.

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01-22-2007 05:28 AM  11 years agoPost 8
Gino CP

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Doing nose-in in flight seems easier. But the problem with that is that you are not committing the whole pack to nose in. You will be tempted to break the nose-in hover and fly around. So the learning time takes longer. It works. It's logical. But it will take longer. Sooner or later, you will have to learn landing and take off too.

If you start from the ground, you are committing the whole pack. As we know it, the more you practice, the better you get. Starting from the ground already takes care of take off and landing, not to mention the hover.

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01-22-2007 02:18 PM  11 years agoPost 9
smcbmw

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I also found that getting more height allowed me to correct quickly or swing the bird back to tail in if needed. I use this concept on any new thing I try. I heard it somewhere on RR that you should stay at least 3 mistakes high. I have followed that advise since. Sucks though when I make about 5 mistakes and end up repairing anyway.

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01-23-2007 03:08 AM  11 years agoPost 10
jimpresto

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New York

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Nose In
Nose in is tough. I would suggest improving the tail motor with an up grade, which will reduce the amount of concentration needed to keep the tail steady. Simulator is a help. Just remember when the machine is facing you and the bird leans to your right push the aileron stick right and vice a versa.Stay up a little and you may want to add collars to the fly bar which will make it a little less touchy.
Hope this helps

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01-23-2007 06:34 AM  11 years agoPost 11
4ever

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Austria

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Hi Lowezz,

I had the same problem and questions few days ago but after spending a lot of hours on the simulator practiceing tail in / nose in I finaly got it!!

Took me about 10 hours on the sim (Realflight G3.5 with Axe CP) and hundreds of chrashes! Practice in 20 min. steps to cool down the brain.

Now my nose in hoovering is as good as the tail in, on tail in hoovers I have a little bit more precission on landings!

My experince is if you have to think where to move the stick you are not perfect! You are perfect when the bird is flying the way you want without thinking about the sticks!

The cheapest way to learn all the reflexes is to buy a simulater and practice as much as you have time!

Greetings from Austria
4ever

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01-23-2007 07:12 AM  11 years agoPost 12
TRex4life

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Phoenix AZ

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I say sim also, I learned with Reflex XTR and finally My Llama V3 has done wonders for my nose in.

Reflex has got my piro flips down solid, now just gotta try em in real life

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01-24-2007 03:48 AM  11 years agoPost 13
littleflyer

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Miami, FL

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Lowez i feel your pain. I am by NO-MEANS an expert on this but i can see my improvments already. (With my buddys to comfirm)

1) I am now slowing down my fig 8's to a nose hover. I am comfortable with them so i just keep slowing em down. When i start to loose it i just jump back to the fig 8's again.

2) get some nice comfortable altitude. more time to at least swing it sideways to correct.

3) have your back towards the wind. so the birds nose is in face into the wind.

4) and remember to ALWAYS "stick to the low blade" when i find myself getting tense i repeat this in my head. and it usually helps because the reactions to the hands feels more natural.

I am mostly concerntrating on keeping the bird "level" right now and slowly reducing the hover area.

These are my tricks.

TC,

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01-24-2007 04:10 AM  11 years agoPost 14
Gino CP

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Philippines

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Lowezz, how is nose-in coming along?

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01-24-2007 11:58 AM  11 years agoPost 15
Eyefly

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Charlotte, NC

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The best way to learn nose in is with the "T" patterns. If you are right handed, take the heli and point the nose to the left while hovering in front of your self. Slowly pull back on the stick and make the heli inch backwards (To the right). After you get 5-6 feet to the right, you are nosing in. The farther you can go back, the more nose in you are. Once you have mastered that, repeat the process with the nose to the right and inch the heli to the left.

If you are left handed, start with the heli pointed to the right.

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01-26-2007 12:03 PM  11 years agoPost 16
Captain Crazy

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Wakefield, England

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I am currently learning nose in - i can do nose in take offs landings, inverted etc on Reflex but havent had the nerve to try it with my raptor so i bought a CP to practice with at home - this week i tried nose in with my CP by "driving" it around the floor, i did this by just making the heli light on the skids and then drive it round the room on the floor. I have managed to also hover for a few seconds at a time nose in - i feel like i have made alot more progress this week than i would have done by just using the simulator which i find a bit boring and slow as my laptop isnt very good.PC crashes alot and frame rate goes down to about 8fps!. Im goona stick at nose in with my CP and hope to move those skills to my raptor once i feel competent. Practice practice practice for me.

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01-26-2007 12:11 PM  11 years agoPost 17
Gino CP

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I'm glad you are learning nose in from the ground. It is harder but it sure is quicker since you are committed to it throughout the pack. Keep it up and keep us posted. The more you fly, the more it gets burned in your brain.

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01-26-2007 01:55 PM  11 years agoPost 18
Lowezz

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Nose In!
Iv'e been practicing nose in for a while now Gino CP. Problem is I'm practicing in the basement because its winter and extremely cold outside lately. The basement isn't all that big and by the time I somehow get an idea of the coordinates my heli is near the wall and have to pick it up to put it back to the center of the room. I'll have to wait for warmer weather I guess. Also When I sit down to hover tail in as soon as the heli goes above eye level I totally lose orientation. What results after is a hard landing, I just loose it. I this a common problem for a biginner?????

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01-26-2007 02:16 PM  11 years agoPost 19
Gino CP

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That's normal. It just takes time. That is why a sim helps very much. I suggest you download FMS and use a gamepad. That should give you the necessary flight hours to speedup your piloting skills.

Learning is much about muscle memory. YOu just have to keep doing it for it to become second nature.

I suggest doing just light skimming for now and concentrate on bringing heli to different parts of the room. Don't take off. Just get the necessary "flight" times. Do this for nose-in.

As for you altitude prob, same thing, it's just a question of flight hours. Try not to get scared. Fear makes you panic. Panic is always the cause of crashes. Again, sim time takes care of this.

I always use my sim, perhaps more than I fly.

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01-26-2007 03:36 PM  11 years agoPost 20
Lowezz

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Canada

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Gino CP
Would you recommend me getting a G90 gyro? Whould this help greatly in making learning easier? Maybe that way I don't have to worry so much about controlling the tail and can concentrate on the other stuff. Some say learning to control the tail is the way to to become really good. I guess the 3in1 doesn't do as good of a job holding in the tail as a seperate gyro? right? Besides I read RC heli and all their reviews of helis have seperate gyros on them, only the Blade CP Pro doesn't in the review. Do you have a G90 on your cp pro?

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