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HelicopterJR Heli Vibe 90/50, Sylphide 90, GSR260 › Sylphide 90 flybar setup
11-25-2006 04:02 AM  11 years agoPost 1
lgibjones

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Hi,

Has anyone had good results with the flybar paddles that are included in the kit? How about the stock length flybar? How about the stock spindle? Finally, how about the soft dampers?

From what I read, it seems most flyers don't use the stock parts.

I am looking for a good starting point for this machine for an F3C setup.

Thanks,

Gib

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11-25-2006 12:00 PM  11 years agoPost 2
steverobertsuk

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Gib

Everybody has there own prefered setup and feel of the model.

I have been using the soft black dampers to good efect here in the UK. I have tried the white hard dampers but they seem a little too hard.

I tend to use the K&S spindal with the centre teater, but this is my own preference.

The stock flybar length does seem to be very good but please do play around with various lengths and flybar ratios.

I use SAB paddels and have tried the K&S paddels in the past as the stock ones seem to be a little small.

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Steve Roberts

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11-25-2006 05:58 PM  11 years agoPost 3
BlueGarry1

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Steve.

It's Garry (Bluegarry1) Regarding the SAB paddles.
I'm thinking of using a set of carbon paddles on the AS90 that I'm currently building. As I've no interest in flying 3D do you think these SAB's might perform better than the stock one's in the kit ??

Thanks mate

Garry

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11-25-2006 10:06 PM  11 years agoPost 4
synodontis

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the K&S spindle is a complete and utter bastard of a thing to have. Maybe I just got a bad one, but it won't fit in without serious forcing in the bearings, I still have it uninstalled with a bearing attached to it needing to be pulled off, I will probably want to sand it down. The newer Sylphide spindle already is like the K&S spindle anyway apart from being in stainless steel and no centre plastic band.

Another thing I hate about the Sylphide is that the flybar carrier gets "lose" after some flights. If you look at the Hirobo SSR VII overslung head you'll see that they use a different metal for reinforcement for the section where the screws go into the head. None of my Hirobo heads' flybar carriers have developed loseness

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11-25-2006 11:47 PM  11 years agoPost 5
lgibjones

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Thanks guys, very interesting information so far.

-Gib

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11-26-2006 10:52 AM  11 years agoPost 6
steverobertsuk

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Garry

The AS90 paddels are a new design that I have yet to try myself. I would use these first and then maybe try using the SAB paddels to experiment with...

synodontis

My K&S spindals have dropped staight into the head without any problems. Do you have a blade grip bearing stuck?

I would pollish the spindal rather than sand...

I find that the 'plastic band' is the key to this spindal. It seems to help with the damping and stops the model moving up and down in the hover.

Do you mean the 2 bolts that hold the carrier to the head? I have not seen this. Please make sure that the flybar assembly is balanced and that the screws and threads are cleaned before locktite is applied.

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Steve Roberts

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11-26-2006 01:36 PM  11 years agoPost 7
BlueGarry1

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Thanks Steve. Will do.

Garry
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11-27-2006 11:43 PM  11 years agoPost 8
synodontis

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steve,

No, this particular K&S spindle is "just" that little bit bigger. Of course it should "drop in", but it doesn't. I bought it when it first came out so it might just be a problem on the first production. And no, polishing it won't get me anywhere, I have tried you know.

The K&S spindle has a centre plastic band, the new stock JR spindle (black) does not, but they do have it at either end before damper contact, like the K&S spindle.

no the two bolts have nothing to do with it. I have tighten them on the flybar carrier. I am using the K&S flybar carrier. Screws and threads are cleaned before loctite, this problem developed after 5 flights. I had this problem to a certain extent with my first Sylphide. Again Hirobo heads don't have this issue because they have a harder metal reinforcement insert where the thread goes in (I'll get you a photo if you want).

I love the Sylphide, but you fly it over time and you'll realise that it has issues. Pilots like Mr Ito probably get them new each time they go to a competition, and someone like Mr Kobayashi always soups up his with new gear each time he goes to a major event (sadly he didn't make the team)

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11-29-2006 12:24 PM  11 years agoPost 9
steverobertsuk

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synodontis

My Sylphides are completly stock and I have had no issues with them over the last year of flying them in contests. My machines are in fact 4 years old as I aquired them from Robert Mott (ex UK F3C team member) and as far as I am aware he had no problems either....

Yes the Jap pilot problrably do get new machines for major contests but the rest of the world does not and I dont see or here of many complaints...

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Steve Roberts

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11-30-2006 04:27 AM  11 years agoPost 10
lgibjones

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Okay, now a basic but related follow-up question:

When I build helicopters, I have always epoxied the flybar paddles to the flybar. However, since I plan on experiementing with different flybar length/paddle combinations, I am curious if for convenience I can omit the epoxy for test flights, particularly with paddles that have the integrated setscrew.

Thanks,

Gib

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11-30-2006 08:28 AM  11 years agoPost 11
steverobertsuk

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Gib

I have never glued paddels onto a flybar..... but some paddles may need to be because of the material they have been produced from.

The standard JR paddles will be fine as they have a machine cut thread in the ali part that goes through the paddle and the set screws will stop it from rotating.

Regards

Steve Roberts

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