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11-26-2006 12:13 PM  11 years agoPost 21
C Schoolcraft

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well im gronded for now i need a pich gage and i need to find out why ive dont have any negitive pich in idle up mode with the stick at its lowist piont but ive got a lot of feed back from people ill get her before too long
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11-26-2006 02:55 PM  11 years agoPost 22
piroulift

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Thanks for the wind warning. hopefully I dont get too brave too soon and have to run to the hobby shop again I plan on focusing on the hover for a a good while until I feel really confident about it.

Schoolcraft, hope you're up and flying again soon.

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11-27-2006 02:19 PM  11 years agoPost 23
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congrats on the hover.. I still wouldn't loose sight of getting a good sim though. G3 or something equal for sure. You can also look for a G2 with usb cable controller pretty cheap also. Like it was stated before be careful of the wind.

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11-27-2006 05:13 PM  11 years agoPost 24
piroulift

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Thanx. It was definately a different world outside the garage. The hover didnt work quite as easily and I had a sort of rough landing...DOHT! Didnt brake anything but took some of the white coating off the blades. Does that affect the flight at all? It is kind of a pain in the but to get it off the ground in the garage (2 and 1/2 stall) because it wants to drift left until you are off the ground. I keep having to pitch right to keep it in open space, but when it gets off the ground it shoots to the right and I have to correct. I'm thinking of switching to flat blades and moving the links on the servos in a couple holes. Anybody have some more advice for how to steady out the copter while it's still close to the ground? It sure doesnt do that in any of the sims I've tried and it's been scary a few times. Thanks again for all the help guys!

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11-27-2006 05:15 PM  11 years agoPost 25
Bris89gt

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Congrats on your hover!!! When I did my first hover I had to put the Rappy down and collect my thoughts cause I was so damn excited. It only gets more and more rewarding. And I would still get a flight sim it has saved me tons of $$$$.

If at first you don't succede, re-build and try again

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11-27-2006 05:25 PM  11 years agoPost 26
piroulift

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Thanks again, but it wasnt a beautiful hover by any means. It was decent. I havent even been able to recreate it in the last 2 flights. I dont know if some of the trims/gains are out of whack now or it was just luck the first couple of times.

I plan on getting into the fine tuning in-depth tonight.

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11-28-2006 12:51 AM  11 years agoPost 27
piroulift

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I went to the hobby shop and picked up some non-symmetrical plasti-blades tonight, re-aligned the flybars (they were way out), and double checked the tracking......what a difference I could actually hover it this time! It was tons more smooth in sound and flight. The battery lasted a little longer too.

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11-28-2006 10:10 AM  11 years agoPost 28
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Hey piroulift check you PM.

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11-28-2006 03:24 PM  11 years agoPost 29
bbking9

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Priro, Sorry I didn't post in time. You will find the Blade CP Pro (I have the CP version) is a moneypit. Tail rotors go out (using 11.1V) after about 1 hours flight time. $10 a shot. Go ahead and do the dual tail motor mod.

I just got a Trex 450SE. I think it is much better to learn on - not nearly as twitchy and parts are CHEAPER than the Blade.

Oh well - you already took the plunge with the CP Pro. If you run 11.1V Lipos - that is what casues the tail motors to go out - motor cant handle the voltage. You can run 7.4V and keep the motor burn out issue away.

Here is a great site dedicated to Blades :
http://www.bladecprepair.com/

I have a TP1320 7.4V lipo for sale cheap if interested. $24 shipped. PM me if interested.

Buy a couple of tail motors and a few mainshafts (gear is attached).

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11-28-2006 03:42 PM  11 years agoPost 30
bbking9

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Oh yea - the best $10 you will ever spend - 2 words - TRAINING GEAR,

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11-28-2006 05:22 PM  11 years agoPost 31
piroulift

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Thanx bbking. I didnt research it enough before bying the pro. I thought it was basically a lipo upgrade. After taking it home and getting into it I noticed the firm statement "for experienced pilots only" DOHT! I purchased training gear when I bought it and thats a damn good thing too. I think I have already noticed the tail motor loosing its power. It was 10x harder to fly out of the box than any sim I have been on, it surprised me. That's when I went to the hobby shop and bought the flat blades for it. After re-alligning everything on it with those blades it flew 10x better. I guess if nothing else it will prepare me all the better for the future. Thanx again.

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11-29-2006 02:01 PM  11 years agoPost 32
piroulift

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I had a nice hard crash into the garage door a couple nights ago and had to pretty much re-build my heli It was only about $25 bucks to fix it but required a lot of fidgeting. I bent the main gear shaft and broke a link on the Bell-Hiller. I guess I was getting a little too confident. I'm gonna try to avoid flying in the garage anymore until I work on my overcorrecting.

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11-29-2006 03:14 PM  11 years agoPost 33
bbking9

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piro,

keep going in the garage. A confined space will make you practice keeping in that space as opposed to a large gym or something - or outdoors (although may be a little cold where you are).

Work in a small space and just throtle down when you are in trouble.

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11-29-2006 07:13 PM  11 years agoPost 34
JeremyZ

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Interesting thread, as I have just started recently too.

I went with a fixed-pitch Honeybee, for mechanical simplicity and for cheap spare parts. Also, since the head speed is so much slower on the FP machines, crash damage is minimized. For indoor flying, they are great. Do you have a local club that has a nice indoor venue? A nice, big gym is much better to fly in than a garage. In the garage, you have a hard time getting out of your own prop wash, and it will act funny whenever you fly near another object.

OK here goes. The sim is really a good thing, but if you have access to your neighbor's maybe you can have him burn you a copy? Also, does your E-Flite radio have a trainer socket? If so, you can probably get a trainer/USB cord and just continue to use FMS. FMS training is meaningless without proportional controls. Failing the trainer cord idea, you can always buy a dual analog USB controller. Buy a good one, like Logitech, so that you know the controls will be proportional. (cheap Chinese ones oftentimes aren't.)

As for setting up your CP Pro to fly easier, aside from keeping everything aligned, (even after crashes) the best thing you can do is to buy a proper radio; one where you can dial in some expo to make your control inputs less spastic. My Honeybee became much easier to fly once I had set up my Optic6 to control it. But that is another decision. You would need a 72 MHz radio for this. Anyone who intends to start flying electrics nowadays and buys a 72 MHz radio is a fool, IMHO. The Spektrum is THE way to go. A lot of folks have interference issues with 72 MHz and wind up crashing their expensive birds because of it. This is BS. Get the DX6 or DX7 and modern technology. The servos? consider them spares. You'll eventually strip one on your CP Pro and need them. Also, for the $200 price you get the receiver. Basically, the servos are free anyhow. Then, get a JR trainer/USB cord to use the Spektrum with FMS, and practice, practice, practice.

If you can wait another month or so for the radio, get a Spektrum DX7. That could be your last radio if you can just see your way clear to blow the money up front. (about $350) To me, a sim, a good computer radio, and a good charger are investments, because you don't crash them. They're worth putting some money into.

I think you made a good choice with the CP Pro. Cheap to start with, easily found spares, not too bad to wrench on. Spares are a bit overpriced, as another poster mentioned. You should keep your eyes peeled for wrecked ones being sold for cheap. There will be a lot of good spares on them.

Now, when you move up to the T-Rex, you'll already have the radio & receiver. (though you'll see need another few hundred for motor, ESC, and good servos, (read: Not E-Flite S75s) and a gyro.

"Well begun is half done." -Aristotle

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11-29-2006 08:46 PM  11 years agoPost 35
piroulift

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Wow! Thanks for all the info. That is exactly what I needed to hear. I was thinking about doing the radio thing like you said because it can be used for other helis as well. I have noticed the prop wash in the garage also. If I am anywhere besides 2-5 feet off the ground and center of the garage it is twice as hard to keep steady. When I am in that sweet spot it seems like a different machine. I really dont think any of the repairs have been too expensive yet, it's pretty much what I expected.

As far as not having exponentials, I want that ability badly but, will moving in the servo links a couple holes help for the time being?

Thanks guys

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11-30-2006 02:14 AM  11 years agoPost 36
Stompy

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Hey piroulift, sorry about the crash. I meant to post earlier while I was at work but I never got the chance. Seems Jeremy has you all covered anyway.

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12-01-2006 10:58 AM  11 years agoPost 37
piroulift

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I found a computer cable for the controller that came with my cp pro last night on helihobby.com for $20. I think I'm going to order that for right now.

Also, It's too late now, but how is the Raptor G2? I just found it last night doing a search for the cable and it looks like exactly what I originally wanted: Belt drive tail and a molded chassis. Is this heli any good? Are parts readily available? Thanks

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12-01-2006 02:11 PM  11 years agoPost 38
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Here is a link just recently put on run ryder
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t300913p1/.

You could also use the search function.

Carpe Diem!!!

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12-02-2006 12:39 AM  11 years agoPost 39
JeremyZ

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As far as not having exponentials, I want that ability badly but, will moving in the servo links a couple holes help for the time being?
That will do when you're flying indoors. But if you venture outdoors, and a 3 mph breeze comes along, you may not have enough throw to get you straight again.

I had that happen. I was flying my Honeybee outside on a pretty calm day. I had forgotten that I had -30% rates and -15% expo dialed in. I got over about 10-12 ft. of altitude and found that there was enough breeze to take the 'bee away. I gave 'er more throttle and tilted it back towards me, but it just climbed more and continued to fly backwards. I wound up crashing on a neighbor's roof It won't be quite so bad on your CP Pro, as CP machines handle the wind better than my FP Honeybee.

"Well begun is half done." -Aristotle

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12-03-2006 04:52 PM  11 years agoPost 40
piroulift

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Dang this stuff is addicting! I want more. I'm thinking of doing the full HDX300 to my cp pro. Any pros or cons to this setup?

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