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11-23-2006 11:24 PM  11 years agoPost 1
Furious Predator

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this is something i have wanted ever since i got the chance to fly a little 2 seater cessna. then the next year i got to fly an R22, and it blew me away. i couldn't stop smiling for days.
the cessna i found kinda boring, my first time flying and in the first 15 minutes i was bored.
i got 30 minutes on an R22 and i didn't want to get out!

my question is....what would the best route be to take?
get a plane license first, then a heli? i have heard rumours that the heli license is a bit cheaper that way....less class time.

what would an average heli pilot earn per year on the first job, and then after getting more experience?

and how hard is it to get a job as a helicopter pilot? i have heard there isn't a very big demand for them.

thanks.

Shawn
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11-23-2006 11:33 PM  11 years agoPost 2
Furious Predator

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thanks.
would an instructing job be a full time deal? 40h/week or more? or is there enough time inbetween to work another job on the side to make a better living while instructing?

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11-23-2006 11:39 PM  11 years agoPost 3
Furious Predator

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hehe, money is the issue, i'm still in college right now taking Mechanical Eng. i figure i can start off with a good living that way, then do my pilots training on the side. when its done, if i choose to change my career at some point, i already have another path carved.

i am also getting started up in painting, right now i have a possible Custom Motorcycle job lined up, they have given me a couple small jobs to see how i do, then they may take me on and give me bikes.

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11-23-2006 11:53 PM  11 years agoPost 4
Furious Predator

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hehe, thanks!
i made a tone of friends in the little time i was flying that R22. they were imensly impressed with the skills i had and understanding of how they fly, and how they handle. the instructor told me i was doing far better then anyone else he has had on the first flight. he says normally people are all over the place, over compensating all the time. but yet i did FF, hovering, landings and take offs with no input from the instructor.

then they found out i'm related to Billy Bishop (WWI fighter pilot with 72 kills), and wanted to give me a ride in a vintage plane, and take a pic of me with signature i never got back to them on it though, i only now just remembered they gave me a card....oops

it will be a while yet befor ei get to start on any of this, i just want to get plans in place.

Shawn
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11-24-2006 11:51 PM  11 years agoPost 5
carlyle

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I'm interested in a fixed wing licence too shawn. I'm considering starting this winter... Just doing ground school, and then whenever I get a chance going up.

I must have at least 6 or 7 thousand SERIOUS hours on Flight Simulator.

I would pretty much feel comfortable flying a cennsa right now, without any training.

I kinda am worried that I would become bored with fixed wing though.

Carlyle

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11-25-2006 12:23 AM  11 years agoPost 6
aarinsingh

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I must have at least 6 or 7 thousand SERIOUS hours on Flight Simulator.

I would pretty much feel comfortable flying a cennsa right now, without any training.
Now there is a stupid statement. How many times have you killed yourself on FS?

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11-25-2006 12:33 AM  11 years agoPost 7
EvoFlight50

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i love flying fixed wing ... i've had my pilots license for almost a year now and two weeks ago i finally started my instrument training with a reliable instructor ... my last instructor used to call me two hours before my lessons and cancel ...

instrment flying is a lot of fun and its a great challenge .. i cant wait until i get this rating and all my other ratings so i can start working as a CFI to build up hours ...

flying heli's would be cool but they're not practical unless you have a career in mind you want to shoot for ... they're twice as much money to rent as a fixed wing ... they're slower, hold less weight/cargo, and smaller ...

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11-25-2006 12:43 AM  11 years agoPost 8
cdrking

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they're twice as much money to rent as a fixed wing ... they're slower, hold less weight/cargo, and smaller ...
Yeah but ya can't hover a stuck wing.

Jeff

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.

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11-25-2006 12:46 AM  11 years agoPost 9
EvoFlight50

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yea but if you get bored flying a fixed wing you're going to get pretty bored with sitting and hovering in one spot ...

its all about what your interested in and what you're going to use the license for i guess

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11-25-2006 05:11 AM  11 years agoPost 10
carlyle

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Now there is a stupid statement. How many times have you killed yourself on FS?
I seriously wonder why you would even write that? Flight simulators have become so advanced, it isn't even funny.

How many times have I killed myself on FS? The answer is beyond belief.

How many times have I crashed when SERIOUSLY flying with FS? Never.

I didn't say I could jump in a 747 and fly it. I said flying a cessna. Refering to the 172. Again, I would feel comfortable to fly one, solo, right off the bat, because of Flight Simulator.

You obviously arn't seriously into Flight Simulators, if you would say that my comment was a 'stupid statement'.

Think about this... When the apollo missions were going on in the 60's, what do you think they were using to train? Thats right, simulators. Did they have any actual flight time in space before there mission? No. and that was 40 years ago!

Don't overlook the capabalities of Flight Simulators.

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11-25-2006 10:11 AM  11 years agoPost 11
Furious Predator

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hehe. dont pick on carlyle's sim's!!!! thats a no no!

i thought flying a little cessna was fun...for a little. its just that it was almost TOO easy you know?
the pilot did let me turn the plane on its side and do a tight banking turn a few times, enabling me to insert my brain into my foot. but other then that, he didn't have to tell me anything.

i knew what all the gauges meant and did from the simulators, the controls were silk, the plane did exactly what you told it to do. so i kept an eye on the gauges, flew it striaghts and level at exactly 2,000 feet the entire time, steering around clouds. he let me fly a circle pattern getting ready for the landing, and do a bit of the aproach before the intructor took over again.

i would have placed a bet that i could have landed it just fine!
and i only spent a half an hour in it.

carlyle, come with me sometime to the air strip, its not far from the twisters club actually. we can get flight tours for $75, half an hour at 1000 feet with 3 passengers in the 172. or $75 to go up in a 152 (i think...been a while, it was a 2 seater cessna), and do a half hour flight intro where you take the controls like i did. its a neat way of seeing what its like before you dump the money in it. around here it costs about 10g for a fixed wing, and a heli license with teh R22 is about 20g, if you dont fit inside the R22, you gotta either use the R44, or Jetranger if the R44 isn't enough, which costs about 35g.

Click here this is me returning from my first flight in the R22....crappy weather, we only did a little bit of tree top flying before it got too rough, and spent the last 20 minutes of my half hour hovering at the end of a runway.
below are pics of it. pretty damn small!!!!

Shawn
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11-25-2006 12:20 PM  11 years agoPost 12
aarinsingh

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Your right I don't take Microsoft flight simulator seriously. But I do make a living with my Pilots Licence. As well I hire and train all the pilots for my company, as well as operate several different types of aircraft.

Sure flying a C172 is a no brainer, but if your attitude follows your statement then stick to RC you'll live longer. But don't take my word for it, there is always room for one more candidate for a Darwin Award.

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11-25-2006 01:01 PM  11 years agoPost 13
carlyle

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Honestly, and I seriously want to know this.

What more can you learn from flying the real thing?

Aside from the whole 'feeling' of flight, what is different when flying the real thing compaired to FS2004? I can't think of a single thing that would be more complicated.

As shawn says, "i thought flying a little cessna was fun...for a little. its just that it was almost TOO easy you know?"

Or: "i knew what all the gauges meant and did from the simulators"

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11-25-2006 01:21 PM  11 years agoPost 14
aarinsingh

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Honestly, and I seriously want to know this.

What more can you learn from flying the real thing?
Flying is about learning. If you quit learning, you should quit flying and regardless of what your interest is, wether its just to be able to go for a sunday tour around the patch or to become an Airline pilot or any step inbetween you never quit learning. The most basic qualification to apply to my company is a comercial license with a Multi IFR endorsment. This is the basic "License to learn" Once you are hired guess what, we train. After initail training, yep more learning, off you go as a co-pilot for a bit. Do you see where this is going? Its great that you have an SERIOUS interest in aviation, but an attitude of I know it all, is wrong. After 10yrs of aviation, I have scratched the surface, but there is still lots to learn.

I guess I shoulda stayed at a Holiday Inn Express more often, and played FS.

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11-25-2006 02:53 PM  11 years agoPost 15
merlin3

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I agree with aarinsingh, I started my flight training a few months ago and have been flying with a friend for years before that. With an attitude like carlyle you are better off staying on the ground. I've played on fs2004 some and sure it's very lifelike but its not even close to the same thing. Flying isn't about saying, well I'm good enough to do this, I don't know why they say I should be instrument rated.

Justin - Team Horizon, Team Byron
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11-25-2006 04:08 PM  11 years agoPost 16
PrimaryB

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I agree with aarinsingh and merlin3. A good friend showed up at work and said he was going to get his pilots license. He did after 4 months of constant flying. His first solo flight was on his 5th flight. After receiving his instrument he later moved on to charter private and then flew commercial twin commuter hops and eventually had to go back to his (large) family farm because of the industry. No, the pay wasn't that good. The day after he was eligible to fly with passengers he took us up. I got to do the final approach and we were prob 5 miles out. This whole time he is giving me advice, speed, altitude, where and when to deploy flaps etc. I'm sorry but my hands never sweat so much in my life.
When I fly with a sim I'm not nervous at all, go figure LOL. He took over about a quarter mile out. The thought of flying a rental (Cessna 172), 3 other people on board and the embarrassment caused to all was to much for me. Did I mention lives. His training was not boring at all. He was able, with an instructor to do steep banking turns, climbing stalls, attempted flatspins and the, your engine just died pick a spot to land. LOL after his pick of landing zone in a field and a low flyby his instructor informed him of a private airstrip over the hill. One of these days!

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11-25-2006 06:16 PM  11 years agoPost 17
EvoFlight50

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if you think you can hop in an airplane and solo because your a microsoft flight sim ace you should stay behind your computer ... you live longer that way

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11-25-2006 06:22 PM  11 years agoPost 18
sandals4me2

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Heres and example of real flight. Off the coast of CA is the catalina islands.........Nice Place. Well there Air port is like a aircraft carrier cliff........runway.............cliff Flying in on approach and dropped like 100 ft nothin but cliff side looking at me and my folks...............Try that in real life without real time flying and see if you make it.

Kevin

No these are not my sandals, Im just keeping them warm. 08/23/60-05/26/06 RIP Bro.

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11-25-2006 06:38 PM  11 years agoPost 19
carlyle

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OK guys, were getting a little off topic here. Again, I did not say I could fly IFR multi engine stuff.

aarinsingh, I cannot agree with you more when you say,
Flying is about learning. If you quit learning, you should quit flying
You are TOTALLY correct.

I know what I'm going to do, and we will see what happens here. I will go out on a flight with an instructor, and I will see how I do. Obviously I can't fly without an instructor, but I will see how I do.

I will do this in the next couple weeks, and I will keep you informed of how I make out.

Again, I am very confident in being able to do this. Obviously flying around isn't the most complicated thing, landing and take off's would be.

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11-25-2006 06:44 PM  11 years agoPost 20
sandals4me2

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carlyle
Now your makeing sense Flight is a breeze with an instructor. Whats hard when new a 360 start at one compass reading and comeing back to the same with out over shoot or change in altitude. So many things can go wrong...........But hell its fun.

Kevin

No these are not my sandals, Im just keeping them warm. 08/23/60-05/26/06 RIP Bro.

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