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11-24-2006 06:10 PM  11 years agoPost 61
PrimaryB

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I have a DE50cal also but I really love my scoped Super Blackhawk SS 44 mag amongst others. Plinking is a lot of fun with it. Pie plate groups at 125 yards with factory loads. Here in the state I live in, has just enacted a right to carry law. Haven't gone through the course yet, but responsibilities of such are very real. Peeps here seem to prefer knock down brute power but there is a reason why PD doesn't carry such weapons. You can't shoot at your assailants without regard to your immediate surroundings. If a wall or house won't stop your round puts you at immediate risk for a wrongful death or a very large lawsuit unless you are very in control of a violent spontaneous situation. Ive read all the posts and it seems some of you are law enforcement. Congrats. My brother is. But for the average citizen small cal, perhaps autos are the way to go. You don't have to kill'em to make them succumb. My opinion only

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11-24-2006 06:19 PM  11 years agoPost 62
homer

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I bet most of you guys who like the 45's don't practice like I do with my 9mm simply because of the cost involved.
I like the 45 and practice alot with it. I reload for about 5.25 a box. So cost is not a factor for me.

Homer

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11-24-2006 06:27 PM  11 years agoPost 63
rcadd1ct

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Make a throw down.

Get the most gawdy money clip, some of the fake credit cards that credit card companies send you, some play money and wrap it with a real $20 bill.

Most people keep the big bills in the inside of a clip so he sees this flashy roll with a $20 showing. He is thinking this is his lucky day.

While he is going for it you either run like hell or draw while he is distracted depending on situation.

$20 for not having to go to court is a good trade off in my book.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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11-24-2006 09:21 PM  11 years agoPost 64
GyroFreak

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heli_madken
I really feel for you in the U.K. It sounds like your laws protect the criminals from harm, not the victims !! To answer your questions. If someone breaks into your home or car, you do NOT have to retreat, and if they are threatning you or another person with bodily harm you may shoot. The joke around here (in Florida) is make sure they are dead. Otherwise they may try to sue you later for injury.
Car jackings and home invasions are way down in the states with right to carry laws. But it is not like the wild wild west. You will not see anybody carring since you may not expose the gun at any time except, of course to use it. Concealment works great, because the thief/robber/mugger/rapist has no idea who is carrying or not.
The predicitions of gun mayhem occuring due to concealed permits has not happened, and the violent crime rate is down.

Hope this clears up any misconceptions of the U.S. being a wild pistol packing country.

PrimaryB
Yes, small calibar will stop all but the totally wacked out drug crazed maniac, usally when he sees the gun. If not, six or more holes in him will certainly hurt enough to allow you to get out of the way till he bleeds to death.
My p-32 Kaltec is so small and light I just drop into my pocket and never know it's there. No holster or straps. I'm amazed how light and compact it is and needs very little care.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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11-24-2006 09:31 PM  11 years agoPost 65
rcadd1ct

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My class was taught by Texas' conceal carry permit instructor #1.

Since he help write the law he got the first instructors permit.

It was interesting as to why some of the law was written and so forth.

Like max distance for the shooting test was 15 yrds because the range was only that far and how many pending DWI's you can have on your record because a respected government official was dealing with that at the time.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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11-24-2006 09:34 PM  11 years agoPost 66
GyroFreak

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rcadd1ct,
15 yards !!! If someone is going to hurt me I'm sure he will be within 2 yards befor I shoot !! Not likly I will miss..
My military training was subsituted for a formal class training.

I feel very strongly about the right to defend yourself, and no I do not have any other guns except a small 22 revolver for plinking. Oh yea, I do have a 12 gauge shotgun, but thats hardly usefull for concealed carry !!

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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11-24-2006 09:49 PM  11 years agoPost 67
rcadd1ct

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Most "incedents" happen in the 0-5yrd range.

15 yrds was to keep people from getting a license that could not see what they were shooting.

I could classify this element of the demographic, but that would be rude and stereotypical.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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11-24-2006 10:21 PM  11 years agoPost 68
Havoc

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but if I had a gun I would willingly have shot them and about now I would be serving a long prison sentence in this country for doing so, would the same thing happen in the US?
In most states in the US you could have shot them and then used their carcass for target practice until the police came. In fact, Kentucky and many other states are now 'stand your ground state'. If you have a right to be where you are standing you don't need try to retreat first. So even pumping gas at a gas station and some nut tries to attack or rob then you are not required to run first before using deadly force to stop the attack. The Castle Doctrine (ironically derived from English Common Law) is applied in many states and basically says you are not required to retreat from you home, business, or vehicle.

I think the reason why home invasions and break-ins are not more common is that many potential bad guys realize it might be their death sentence. If Police could get to the scene while or before the crime is committed than the libs might be able to make an argument against gun ownership. But we can't carry a policeman in our pocket.

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11-24-2006 10:35 PM  11 years agoPost 69
Raptorcop84

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glock 21 duty
glock 19 and 23 off duty

Plastic is easy to keep clean.................

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11-24-2006 11:32 PM  11 years agoPost 70
rcadd1ct

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The protecting property idea is losing the battles in court, though.

For you to come out OK, you had better be in fear of your life.

Not Damn, someone is steeling my hood ornament, pop.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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11-25-2006 12:31 AM  11 years agoPost 71
GyroFreak

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The protecting property idea is losing the battles in court, though.
BUT, in the process of protecting your property, you are usally in grave danger by an armed criminal, since you are not required to retreat.
I would not shoot somebody over property or money, but if they are threatning you with bodely harm, and how else are they going to rob or rape you if not with life threatning actions. It will be a new type of criminal if they say "I am harmless but please give me your wallet / money "

If I come home and find a robber who is doing all he can to get away without threatning me or my faimly, then so be it, I would not shoot him. But if I am at home and he breaks in knowing I or others are in the house (home invasion) then he will hear the sound of my gunshots.
!!!

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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11-25-2006 12:35 AM  11 years agoPost 72
A. Bundy

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Shooting anybody would be the absolute last resort.Just think how a lawyer can twist things around in court and how much money it would cost to clear yourself of a perfectly legal and justified shooting.

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11-25-2006 12:38 AM  11 years agoPost 73
GyroFreak

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A. Bundy
Very true, so be dam sure that you or somebody you love is in grave danger, and make sure he is dead (see my previous post)

Dang, I got to get back to helicopter stuff ---------

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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11-25-2006 01:48 AM  11 years agoPost 74
Yug

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My granny used to carry a pepper pot in her handbag. Now that's packin

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11-25-2006 01:54 AM  11 years agoPost 75
rmschmidt

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Shoot the Lawyer too!

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11-25-2006 06:38 AM  11 years agoPost 76
C30

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If someone breaks into your home or car,
Yep , you had better be IN the car...come out of the house and see someone stealing your car or otherwise is NOT grounds to use force...unless he was "going to run over me on the way out" haha Yeah for all those who have been through the class (I've been 3-4 times to take friends) you know its all about why not to shoot ...one of the first questions my instructor always asks a new class is ..when can you shoot someone legally...the answer of course is never, I'm the only one that gets it right.. hehe Its always more of a class about getting you as close to being in the right if you have to use force...such as buy the ammo thats says "personal defense" , not silver tip hypersonic bad a$$ ++PP (which I use) ,He also has a good theory about which kind of weapon to carry,when he starts the class and starts talking about the kind of weapons he starts naming off the different types and brands and pulling them from different places on his body and chunks them on the table,everything from a derringer to twin matching 45 1911's.....about 9 in total and no one knew he had anything on him for the last 30 minutes... I like our state law about it NOT having to be concealed because you can keep it hid most of the time and when you come out of the mall in the big city you can let the polish shine.... and maybe stop a problem before it gets started...I know more than once when me and the wife have been in Nashville shopping and come across the parking lot my 1911 Kimber tri-color was looked at like a firetruck at a funeral,Theres just something about a shiney 1911 that says BMF ... anyone ever watch Pulp Fiction ?

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11-25-2006 06:42 PM  11 years agoPost 77
hockeysew

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Stainless Springfield 1911-Bar-sto barrel-Chip McCormick hammer & sear-Videki trigger-Titainium firing pin-Wolff springs-McCormick magazines-
Had a pair of them but traded one for a heli!

Colorado "Make my day law"-

The law recognizes that citizens have the right to expect absolute safety within their homes. The occupant is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly force, against another person who makes an uninvited entry into the home and either has or might commit a crime there.

Liberals are like a "Slinky", useless but entertaining when pushed down stairs....

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11-25-2006 07:22 PM  11 years agoPost 78
heli_madken

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Some really interesting comments, the general theme is the same, a villain breaks into your house then they are taking their life in your hands
I would not shoot somebody over property or money, but if they are threatning you with bodely harm
You could say that in my case I should simply have handed the keys over, afterwards a lot of people including the police called me stupid for the action I took saying that I could have been injured far worse than I was, the problem is that unless you have been in a situation like that you will never understand how instinct takes over, how was I to know that having given them the keys then they wouldnt proceed upstairs to rape/kill my wife and daughters. So in this type of situation you cannot tell if it is going to be property or harm, and you cannot predict how you will react, how Policemen manage to control these situations is beyond me and I admire them greatly for it.

Personally I would shoot first pay the sentence/lawsuit second at least you know your family is safe.

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11-25-2006 11:36 PM  11 years ago •• Post 79 ••
Havoc

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how was I to know that having given them the keys then they wouldnt proceed upstairs to rape/kill my wife and daughters. So in this type of situation you cannot tell if it is going to be property or harm, and you cannot predict how you will react
Exactly. Not to sound like a keyboard ninja but the general rule of thumb is that it is better to be judged by twelve than dead by one. If you feel your life is in immediate danger then you can act against that threat. You are not required to pull out a calculator and figure the probabilities of what could happen if you just give them this or that. There is no guarantee that once you give them the keys or wallet that they spare you. The majority of states give you a great deal of protection in that regard. But it's also true that if it is only property at risk than you can't just run out and shoot them. In your case you would have been justified to unload into them.

They say a short-barreled shotgun is best for home protection.

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11-26-2006 01:14 AM  11 years agoPost 80
jimco

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Knock on my door at 2 in the morning. Get to know what stainless, 9mm, really looks like. Ain't bashfull, you don't belong on my place , after 10. pm

Honey, where's the check book, it's Fedex again

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