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11-24-2006 01:31 AM  11 years agoPost 121
T.J. Kong

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I understand that you're not trying to be disrespectful. But, just because things are written on the net in different places, it doesn't make them fact. As you are well aware, there are a ton of things on the net that are false. One person reads it here and then posts it there. Remember the telephone game when you were a kid? I think some people just like making up rumors and don't care what the facts are. I've said my peace and I know that I won't convince you. I just felt the need to state that most of the "facts" presented are not facts at all and are easily reputed. Perhaps most importantly, I feel that perpetuating these rumors is disrespectful to the dead.

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11-24-2006 01:41 AM  11 years agoPost 122
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Jimco.. earlier you said...
Mrtimbr: You got that right: I think Ross was too smart to get sucked in the cesspool , of Washington, politics.
He probably would have been assassinated, first week>.
Was not to be someones yes man.
Ross Perot was also one of the richest men in the United States... You can't exactly bribe or pay off a man that doesn't need the money.

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11-24-2006 01:43 AM  11 years agoPost 123
jimco

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Not trying to start another post, and not being a wise a$$, but I have some serious feeling about the innocent and dead GIs; that are paying the price in Iraq. What's your opinion.???

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11-24-2006 01:50 AM  11 years agoPost 124
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Didnt this thread start as a Bush thread. Does anyone remember that morning?? After the first plane hit there was confusion about what type of plane hit, all indications right up to the point where the second jet hit indicated a horrible , tragic accident. Im no Bush fan, but to suggest that he sat by and did nothing is reprehensible. He's an idiot, not a monster. If memory serves, when the second plane hit, and all of us began to realize this was no accident, Bush was gone in a heartbeat. I dont like the man, or his views, but I certanly dont blame him, or Clinton, or any individual for 9/11. Seems to me to be a collective failure on intelligence agencys and Americas complacency that that type of thing would never happen here
Maybe it all started in '64 on that grassy knoll.....

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11-24-2006 02:07 AM  11 years agoPost 125
jimco

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mrtimbr: That is where you are wrong:http://www.oilempire.us/standdown.html
GWB sat in the classroom for another 30 minutes, after the second crash. Read it for yourself: And yes, this stuff did start with the grassy knoll. And looks like it will continue for a while to come.

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11-24-2006 02:14 AM  11 years agoPost 126
jimco

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Bill: That is the most truthful post of the day: All X Generation kids share your view" Don't worry, be happy." Enjoy your xbox and toys, life is rosie.
All of us older guys that are watching the country sink, hell our views are antique. Keep trucking , life is a beach.

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11-24-2006 02:18 AM  11 years agoPost 127
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You got a point:

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11-24-2006 02:27 AM  11 years agoPost 128
steve9534

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GWB
I don't have any intention of reading through all the nonsense written here, but I will say that I disagree with the basic premise of the question. Some folks seem to think that the government and our government officials have to be constantly dreaming up something good to do for them. Sort of like the president has to stand in for Santa Claus once they get old enough to realize Santy ain't for real after all. I'd be happy if the government would protect me from danger, keep the potholes filled, and otherwise leave me alone. So far GWB has been able to prevent another terrorist attack on US soil and hasn't raised taxes. I like the guy. steve.

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11-24-2006 02:31 AM  11 years agoPost 129
mrtimbr549

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Time (read History) will sort this all out. Remember Regan? He wasnt that popular of a president in his first term, a little better his second. Yet when he passed, he was widely regarded as the best president of our time. The effect a President has sometimes isnt noticed for years.
In this day and age of instant gratification and around the clock coverage and wars telivised during prime time, like some sort of warped reality show,its good to see passion on forums like this. Where theres passion, theres genuine concern.
I honestly feel History will regard Bush as a bumbler who mishandled a lot of things. I will not get into a theoretical discussion of 'who would have done better' because we are playing the hand dealt.
[/quote]If we are here on the internet bichin about it, its gotta be better than watchin Sally Struthers walk around your hut and swating flies.[quote]
MILK CAME OUT OF MY NOSE!!!

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11-24-2006 02:35 AM  11 years agoPost 130
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Really was kinda funny, hehehe

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11-24-2006 07:20 AM  11 years agoPost 131
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Jimco, your faith in the perfect performance of airline pilots is misplaced. Airliners do get off course for perfectly innocent reasons. See http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html or
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL...port/index.html or http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...2110359,00.html or even http://archives.californiaaviation....t/msg12024.html

Failure to shoot down an off course airliner is standard practice not evidence of a conspiracy.

Anyway, to name something good Bush Jr did, how about paving the way for a woman president?

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11-24-2006 03:48 PM  11 years agoPost 132
jimco

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Makes you want to just go jump on big one and take a trip, huh. Didn't know it was that bad,.
Still, in the US, Norad tracks em and if they go off course, loose communication, IE: Transponder goes off, and no link with the pilot, they do scramble the jets. And finding the airliner is no problem, supposedly??

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11-24-2006 03:56 PM  11 years agoPost 133
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Do you all really want to discuss 9/11 again? I'll be glad to start a thread on it.

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11-24-2006 05:34 PM  11 years agoPost 134
jimco

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No Jitsu, I think we have all thrown enough rocks to last awhile. hehehe.
You cannot win the 9/11 argument. Too much controversy, too many strange things to sort out.
May as well try to solve the JFK mystery. Get about as much mileage from it. Got such an age difference with the posters, you cannot keep a good line going. Not enough knowledge of the subject matter.

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11-24-2006 05:43 PM  11 years agoPost 135
jimco

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Hey Jitsu: Think about starting one on Alternative Energy Sources=Solar Power. Maybe we can have a discussion, without the bit$hing. Might actually get some good info from it. ???

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11-24-2006 05:52 PM  11 years agoPost 136
T.J. Kong

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Not enough knowledge of the subject matter.
Dude, that's what I'm tryin' to tell ya! I have a feeling that I've got a few more hours than you in transport catagory jets. Almost all of your comments about ATC and FAA procedure are dead wrong.

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11-24-2006 05:59 PM  11 years agoPost 137
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TJ: Not to be arguing, but what would happen, if you turned off your transponder, made an unannounced 90 degree turn and started decending from your assigned altitude, especially if you were heading to DC. Oh, and no radio communication with ATC.

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11-24-2006 06:46 PM  11 years agoPost 138
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The response prior to Sept 11th would have been a lot less aggressive than today. Prior to Sept 11th we were taught to comply and get the airplane on the ground so that the terrorists/hijackers could be dealt with there. Errant aircraft were not to be shot down. It was not assumed that the airplane would be used offensively. Initially it was assumed that this was a hijacking and not a terrorist act. We didn't know what they were going to do with the airplanes until after the second WTC was hit. After that there was massive confusion about which airplanes were threats. Your assumptions on Norad protecting us from domestic aircraft are also way off. You are using information and knowledge that we did not have on Sept 11th.

Like I said earlier, please get your facts straight. You are making many assumptions that are totally false.

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11-24-2006 06:50 PM  11 years agoPost 139
jimco

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No TJ: I am not assumning anything. You can get the procedures from the web> Standard operation for Norad has always been to scramble and check out the errant aircraft. Not to shoot em down, but to find out what the problem is. IE: The golfer that died. Jets followed him till the aircraft ran out of fuel. I think it was Payne Stewart.

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11-24-2006 06:51 PM  11 years agoPost 140
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I still would like an answer to what would happen, then and today.

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